Jetfox
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| The_Perfect_Storm wrote: | | Jetfox wrote: | | The_Perfect_Storm wrote: | | Jetfox wrote: | 3d all the way i say. i find it crap with they put a 2d game on a system that can handle more then that. but as far as focusing on graphics far to much i agree, blue ray disk can store twice as much info, and it is wasted on graphics alone.
meanwhile they could put like two ps2 games worth of content on a blue ray disk. graphics only can hold your interest for so long, some of my fav games don't look holy hell pretty but are fun and addicting as hell.
minecraft is one of them it has 16 bit colors but you can burn hours easily on it because almost anything is possible in it. we need more games that inspire creativity and imagination like this. |
There are things you can do gameplay-wise that can't be done with 3d games. And generally the artstyle/atmosphere is much better with a 2d style. E.g. Limbo, Outland etc. |
artstyle and atmosphere are better... how? sure 3d models look like crap with outlines i agree okami shows that easily.
but honestly i get into a game a heck of alot faster in a 3d game. and i started out playing 2d once i got my n64 and my first 3d game i never turned back. i have a few 2d games still, but not much. the closest i get to 2d is super smash bros anymore. but my fav thing about 3d games is being able to see how big something is compared to you. like in minecraft and terraria i can make a tower in both terraria is fun and addicting but building stuff for fun is not as rewarding as it is in minecraft, in minecraft i can build i huge tower look up at it from the base and feel almost like an ant or go to the top and view the world around me in a birds eye view.
both are awesome games but minecraft wins by a hair in my eyes. something is just cool about looking down on the world from a structure you just built. but as far as combat and action terraria wins everytime. not to mention you can use 1 character and keep all your items from world 1 to 100, minecraft needs this feature badly.. |
Minecraft is a special case. It's not a typical anything. In my mind I was comparing games like Limbo, Outland, Rayman etc. to games like Jak and Daxter, Prince of Persia etc. When I talk about artstyle.... first, I don't think Minecraft excels in this. Very basic visuals. It's main strength is just the scope of block building gameplay and how the player can interact with that. When I talk about atmosphere I think the artstye and overall 'experience' of 2D games are better. More creative, more appealing in general. At least in modern games. I have no idea what Terrarria is so I can't exactly comment on that. The artstyle and atmosphere of modern 2D platformer games are outstanding. Most of the games I've seen have really had a lot of effort put into them. |
terraria is like 2d minecraft with awesome combat and bosses. so basicly one is a 3d sandbox the other is a 2d sandbox. also with art style i was more refering to the outlines around the models in okami which suck the lines are to damn big and distracting. i hate cartoonsish 3d renders.
outstanding i wouldn't say that at all but whatever. i can hardly get hooked on almost any 2d game there is no atmosphere to me just a character running in front of a slideshow. in 3d games the world is all around you, you can go in any direction you please, games like fallout 3 and elder scrolls wouldn't be the same without that. to me 3d games have more depth. portal is the best example i know of the first game has virtually no story at all, you have no clue who you are and some disembodiment voice is talking to you. at first you suspect something is wrong even though you have no clue about any story at all. by the end you are praying for a way out of the hell hole.
only one character ever talks, glados who is also never seen till the very end. the game was thought to fail as soon is it was made but it didn't. but i have never been more effected by a game till i played portal. other games have effected me but to lesser extent. but as far as a game where the gameplay itself builds the story from nothing portal is the best example i can give. that to me is a work of art.
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Sparx
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Two words. Rayman Origins. |
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The_Perfect_Storm
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Jetfox wrote: | terraria is like 2d minecraft with awesome combat and bosses. so basicly one is a 3d sandbox the other is a 2d sandbox. also with art style i was more refering to the outlines around the models in okami which suck the lines are to damn big and distracting. i hate cartoonsish 3d renders.
outstanding i wouldn't say that at all but whatever. i can hardly get hooked on almost any 2d game there is no atmosphere to me just a character running in front of a slideshow. in 3d games the world is all around you, you can go in any direction you please, games like fallout 3 and elder scrolls wouldn't be the same without that. to me 3d games have more depth. portal is the best example i know of the first game has virtually no story at all, you have no clue who you are and some disembodiment voice is talking to you. at first you suspect something is wrong even though you have no clue about any story at all. by the end you are praying for a way out of the hell hole.
only one character ever talks, glados who is also never seen till the very end. the game was thought to fail as soon is it was made but it didn't. but i have never been more effected by a game till i played portal. other games have effected me but to lesser extent. but as far as a game where the gameplay itself builds the story from nothing portal is the best example i can give. that to me is a work of art. |
I wasn't talking about story, voice work or anything else. And I'm not saying everything else is sh**. We're not even talking about RPGs or (necessarily) puzzle games. |
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Onyxaxe
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| I miss that era too. The last game I can remember getting really excited about besides a shooter was Ikaruga. |
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DemonAbyss10
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Want an insanely hard 2D game? A platformer/action one in particular?
Take a look at this then XD
http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/
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The_Perfect_Storm
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DemonAbyss10 wrote: | Want an insanely hard 2D game? A platformer/action one in particular?
Take a look at this then XD
http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/ |
How far did you get? |
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Venger
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The all-new "Shinobi" by Sega for the 3DS is great side-scroller where you play as a ninja, and I played through it on normal difficulty. It's supposed to be almost impossible to get through on the hardest difficulty level. |
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DemonAbyss10
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Perfect_Storm wrote: | | DemonAbyss10 wrote: | Want an insanely hard 2D game? A platformer/action one in particular?
Take a look at this then XD
http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/ |
How far did you get? |
Beat it on easiest, don't think I can do it ever again :/
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Tross
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I don't miss sidescrollers, because I play them all the time. Look no further than the downloadable service on your system of choice. Heck, there's nothing wrong with checking out various re-releases of classic sidescrollers either, whether it's through a downloadable service, or a collection like Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. There's also the occasional new sidescroller released in physical form like Contra 4 for the ds(which I played and beat on normal, completed all the challenges, and loved every minute of). That is not exactly what I'd call a current example, but there's also Sonic Generations if you're in the mood for something current(I haven't picked it up, but I hear it's good).
I too hate the notion of a genre dying out if it's one I really enjoy, but I've found that that's not often the case. The jrpg is still around and even point and clicks have found their niche this gen. The only genre I think might have died out is survival horror, which seems to have been replaced with generic zombie slaying bloodfests that are more like survival action games mistakenly labeled as survival horror. Let's hope Silent Hill: Downpour ends up being a proper survival horror title. I hear Alan Wake is decent, but unfortunately, I don't have a 360, nor do I plan on getting one, and that was released a few years ago. |
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cheenyx
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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ANY UPCOMING SIDE-SCROLLER GAMES in 2012  |
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crmoore
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Plenty of fond memories of 2D side-scrollers. That was back when I was playing the "it" games and not relegating myself to the annual sports game rehashes and the classic collection discs. Nothing against 3D games. In fact, some of them I like (Mario 64). But the majority of them are just too complicated for me to spend too much time figuring out. That and the whole "growing-up-and-having-less-time-on-my-hands" thing prevents me from getting into the newer "it" games. |
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Bun
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Most of the flash/Facebook games are 2D, aren't they? |
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Infoseeker
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These games are my current favorite 2d games.
Muramasa (Wii)
Strange Journey (DS)
Sands of Destruction (DS)
The World Ends with You (DS)
Mana Khemia (PS2)
Rayman Origins (multi-platform)
Odin Sphere (PS2)
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UnLoser
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I's say that the genre has actually seen a resurgence lately.There are plenty of sidescrollers available on dowloadable stores, and there have been quite a few 2D platformers very recently including Donkey Kong Country Returns, Rayman Origins, and Sonic Generations. |
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Bun
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly, the download industry (for cellphones etc.) as well as Facebook games. |
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