Tequila
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| puddingmouse wrote: | It's one canteen with no meat in it on one day. Damn, I feel like my freedoms have been mutilated.  |
They planned to enforce it on people. The binmen resisted and their meat was reinstated. 
You asked for an example where this has happened; I gave you one. |
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Got any more? One example does not a vegetarian conspiracy make.
Though I do think there are fringe elements that are like that.
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Tequila
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| puddingmouse wrote: | | Got any more? One example does not a vegetarian conspiracy make. |
Well, that's good. I'm glad I can tuck into my non-halal roast chicken dinner in peace. I shall sleep soundly tonight. 
| Quote: | | Though I do think there are fringe elements that are like that. |
It definitely was a problem with Brighton Council I think. Best thing to do is, er, not elect Greenies. |
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| Tequila wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Got any more? One example does not a vegetarian conspiracy make. |
Well, that's good. I'm glad I can tuck into my non-halal roast chicken dinner in peace. I shall sleep soundly tonight.
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DAMN YOU, HERETIC, CHICKEN MUST BE GRILLED! *spreads oppression and intolerance*
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| unduki wrote: | | Soylent Green is People! |
I was thinking about posting that, too. |
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| Tequila wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | It's one canteen with no meat in it on one day. Damn, I feel like my freedoms have been mutilated. |
They planned to enforce it on people. The binmen resisted and their meat was reinstated.
You asked for an example where this has happened; I gave you one. |
they can bring a lunch from home. problem solved, with nobody's freedoms compromised.
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If you don't like your national benefit scheme and can't get it changed at the ballot box, I find it difficult to imagine you'll have the political capital for genocide. Fortunately (for this view), people eliminate themselves one way or another all the time.
| Quote: | | When have vegetarians seriously tried to do that? I'm a meat-eater, but I'm tired (and frankly mystified) by all the complaints that people make about veggie-fascists lecturing them and impeding their 'freedom'. |
People are as defensive about their food as they are their religion. My gf never lectures anyone but has to hear the snide remarks of meat eaters quite often. I wouldnt take it as politely as she does. |
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| simon_says wrote: | | My gf never lectures anyone but has to hear the snyde remarks of meat eaters quite often. I wouldnt take it as politely as she does. |
I'm a meat-eater, and I used to be snide to vegetarians. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know why I did it. It's because I knew that they were right, and they made me feel insecure. I still don't care quite enough to stop eating meat, but now I acknowledge that vegetarians are on the right side of history. |
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Tequila
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| Declension wrote: | | I still don't care quite enough to stop eating meat, but now I acknowledge that vegetarians are on the right side of history. |
If vegetarians care about animals so much, why do they eat their food? |
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Tequila
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | they can bring a lunch from home. problem solved, with nobody's freedoms compromised. |
That might well not be an option depending on how dictatorial the council were being - i.e. they could put pressure on people to conform. |
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I don't think the OP has a very good grasp of economics. Specifically, what economists mean by 'full employment' and the concept of a wage/price inflation spiral.
If you have very high levels of employment employers find it difficult to recruit new staff because they already have a job. In the 1950's in Britain despite having to pay off massive war debts and having huge numbers of disabled people from two world wars, the unemployment rate was about 1%.
The problem that arises from this situation is as follows.
Company A wishes to expand, it needs new staff but there isn't a large enough pool of unemployed workers to find the right skills in. Company A must poach an employee off another company by offering the employee more money than he currently receives.
Unfortunately this now means that Company B is short one worker and must poach an employee, etc etc This leads to a large amount of wage inflation. Because companies must be profitable, in order to pay these higher wages the company must put up the price of it's goods to avoid bankruptcy. Workers see the price of goods going up and demand higher wages to maintain their spending power. The higher wages mean companies have to put up the price of their finished product again and the economy ends up locked into wage-price inflation spiral. Fairly quickly in a free market system this inflation destroys economic growth and causes a recession, driving up unemployment.
You can not have a free market economic system without a large pool of unemployed people competing for jobs to keep wages down. This is not some radical hippy conspiracy theory, it is week one Introduction to Economics stuff.
Seriously, go and ask any economist to explain the terms 'full employment' and 'wage-price spiral' and they will tell you exactly the same thing.
What this means is it is pointless trying to tackle unemployment by killing unemployed people, the market will simply create more unemployed people to stabilise itself.
If you abandon the free market system it is a relatively easy task to provide 100% employment but doing so bogs down innovation and progress. |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Subotai wrote: | | Inevitably the human race is doomed eventually.. what real difference does eugenics make? I say if you happen to manifest on this plane of consciousness you have a right to live for as long as you're physically capable without interference. |
There is no other "plane" of existence. The world is physical from Top to Bottom and from Top Quark to Bottom Quark. All that exists is matter and motion in space and time.
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Okay. Well my point still stands regardless. |
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