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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/troglodyte
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| CrazyCatLord wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | Vexcalibur wrote: | | What are his definitions of man and woman? |
1 adult who was born with an XY chromosone and 1 adult who was born with 2 X chromosones. |
In case you haven't realized it yet, we try very hard not to limit the rights of people anymore on this basis, because we have realized that it is wrong to discriminate based on gender. Western societies have come to agree that women should have the same rights as men. But equal rights include the right to marry another woman. If you want to deny them this right, you are not only a homophobe but also a sexist.
Besides, there are more sex chromosome combinations than XX and XY. Gender and sex are not as clearcut as you seem to believe. You might want to educate yourself on this subject. (You know you want to. It's what Sheldon Cooper would do). |
Beat me to it.
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Anyway Rick Santorum wants to turn the U.S. into "a Muslim nation for people who hate Muslims". I am surprised he isn't blaming the recession on the Jews and denying the Holocaust. |
If he were to directly attack Jews, Santorum would possibly be putting his evangelical support in jeopardy, as they believe we need Jews for Christ to return and usher in the rapture.
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| CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
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| Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
As far as I'm concerned, a marriage is first and foremost about love between two people who want to share their lives together; and I think that's how most people today see it. So yes, a same sex couple can have the same kind of relationship.
And did I understand you properly - that infertile couples needn't get married as they can't have children?
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| Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
I don't think they define it as a legal union between a man and a woman planning to have kids either, don't think plans of having a family is required for marrige. Also what is so bad about homosexual couples making their relationship official via marrige or civil union? Does it really effect you and your life that much if homosexuals are allowed to marry?
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
Proof? and why should everyones relationship be the exact same anyways.....I am sure not all males and female couples have the same kind of relationship so why should homosexuals be held to that standard?
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
Well in order for them to have those rights when they make their relationship official it kinda has to be treated as a marrige legally otherwise they would not get those rights mentioned.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
I don't think they define it as a legal union between a man and a woman planning to have kids either, don't think plans of having a family is required for marrige. Also what is so bad about homosexual couples making their relationship official via marrige or civil union? Does it really effect you and your life that much if homosexuals are allowed to marry?
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
Proof? and why should everyones relationship be the exact same anyways.....I am sure not all males and female couples have the same kind of relationship so why should homosexuals be held to that standard?
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
Well in order for them to have those rights when they make their relationship official it kinda has to be treated as a marrige legally otherwise they would not get those rights mentioned. |
I believe, although I could be wrong, that those rights are pretty much covered under civil unions or in some states, common law. |
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
As far as I'm concerned, a marriage is first and foremost about love between two people who want to share their lives together; and I think that's how most people today see it. So yes, a same sex couple can have the same kind of relationship.
And did I understand you properly - that infertile couples needn't get married as they can't have children?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Can the same sex couples' love result in the creation of new life? Obviously not, so therefore it is different. The fact that the possibility isn't even there makes it different.
I keep hearing people say that they think marrige is about love between two people. What about blood relatives? If a brother and sister want to get married should they be able to? What about a father and daughter? |
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| Bataar wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
I don't think they define it as a legal union between a man and a woman planning to have kids either, don't think plans of having a family is required for marrige. Also what is so bad about homosexual couples making their relationship official via marrige or civil union? Does it really effect you and your life that much if homosexuals are allowed to marry?
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
Proof? and why should everyones relationship be the exact same anyways.....I am sure not all males and female couples have the same kind of relationship so why should homosexuals be held to that standard?
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
Well in order for them to have those rights when they make their relationship official it kinda has to be treated as a marrige legally otherwise they would not get those rights mentioned. |
I believe, although I could be wrong, that those rights are pretty much covered under civil unions or in some states, common law. |
It seems to me like whenever the homosexual couples get close to being legally treated like a married couple.....even if the word marrige is not used everyone throws a f*cking fit and the rights get removed again.
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| Bataar wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
As far as I'm concerned, a marriage is first and foremost about love between two people who want to share their lives together; and I think that's how most people today see it. So yes, a same sex couple can have the same kind of relationship.
And did I understand you properly - that infertile couples needn't get married as they can't have children?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Can the same sex couples' love result in the creation of new life? Obviously not, so therefore it is different. The fact that the possibility isn't even there makes it different.
I keep hearing people say that they think marrige is about love between two people. What about blood relatives? If a brother and sister want to get married should they be able to? What about a father and daughter? |
I think inbreeding and homoexuality are different things entirely, but I could be wrong....
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
I don't think they define it as a legal union between a man and a woman planning to have kids either, don't think plans of having a family is required for marrige. Also what is so bad about homosexual couples making their relationship official via marrige or civil union? Does it really effect you and your life that much if homosexuals are allowed to marry?
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
Proof? and why should everyones relationship be the exact same anyways.....I am sure not all males and female couples have the same kind of relationship so why should homosexuals be held to that standard?
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
Well in order for them to have those rights when they make their relationship official it kinda has to be treated as a marrige legally otherwise they would not get those rights mentioned. |
I believe, although I could be wrong, that those rights are pretty much covered under civil unions or in some states, common law. |
It seems to me like whenever the homosexual couples get close to being legally treated like a married couple.....even if the word marrige is not used everyone throws a f*cking fit and the rights get removed again. |
I agree with you here. This should not happen. |
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
As far as I'm concerned, a marriage is first and foremost about love between two people who want to share their lives together; and I think that's how most people today see it. So yes, a same sex couple can have the same kind of relationship.
And did I understand you properly - that infertile couples needn't get married as they can't have children?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Can the same sex couples' love result in the creation of new life? Obviously not, so therefore it is different. The fact that the possibility isn't even there makes it different.
I keep hearing people say that they think marrige is about love between two people. What about blood relatives? If a brother and sister want to get married should they be able to? What about a father and daughter? |
I think inbreeding and homoexuality are different things entirely, but I could be wrong.... |
Again, I agree. They are two very different things. However, the same argument for marriage can be made for both. |
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1 adult who was born with an XY chromosone and 1 adult who was born with 2 X chromosones.
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What about people who get XXY, XYY, XXX, or just X? What about people with XX or XY chromosomes that have hormonal circumstances that make them look the opposite sex and grow genitals of the opposite sex?
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If a couple is sterile, there probably isn't a need for them to get married,
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But many sterile couples still want to and it is legal for them to.
However, you lie. A lot of sterile couples need to marry. Because many adoption agencies wouldn't accept an unmarried couple.
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People today have exactly the same rights. Everyone has the "right" to marry an unmarried, non blood relative of the opposite gender. Saying this is a "rights" issue is an lie.
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So, what if interracial marriages were illegal? Everyone would still have the "right" to marry an unmarried, non blood relative of the opposite gender and same race.
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Easy to say this, as I guess that you plan to fall in love with someone of the opposite sex. To think so many people in the world are adults and are unable to marry the fellow adult person they truly love... Well, it does not add up to me that someone would say it is not a rights issue.
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| Bataar wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
As far as I'm concerned, a marriage is first and foremost about love between two people who want to share their lives together; and I think that's how most people today see it. So yes, a same sex couple can have the same kind of relationship.
And did I understand you properly - that infertile couples needn't get married as they can't have children?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Can the same sex couples' love result in the creation of new life? Obviously not, so therefore it is different. The fact that the possibility isn't even there makes it different.
I keep hearing people say that they think marrige is about love between two people. What about blood relatives? If a brother and sister want to get married should they be able to? What about a father and daughter? |
But people get married out of love most of the time, and very rarely with the intent of having children - though that is a by product of heterosexual marriage. So actually, getting married for love applies to both hetero and homosexual marriage. Thus, it is a marriage in my humble opinion.
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