Atomsk
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I'm certainly not one of the aspie/autie pride people; I don't even tell people about my diagnosis. Only a handful of people know. I try not to talk about it much with those people, as well.
For me, being proud of being autistic would be like being proud of being white or male or tall. I didn't do anything to be that way, so I don't take pride in it. I tend to take pride in things I have earned. |
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Catman
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While I'm not out there shouting aspie pride, I am very grateful that I am who I am! 
One of the things I struggle with, on a daily basis, is not calling other people (NT's) "idiots". Their actions are idiotic. Which doesn't mean that they are idiots, just having a thoughtless moment. Any thoughts on how to help me overcome this desire to call them "idiots"? I really do feel that all humans are equal. It just upsets me to see so many idiotic things on a daily basis. It's frustrating. Anger management?  |
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Mithos
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I'm so damn proud of my ADHD that I constantly go to rather large and unorganized ADHD Pride Parades. I also roll with my homies and we beat normal people down with wooden bats. 
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Wolfheart
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| Questor wrote: | | If you want to go around chanting Autism/Asperger's pride, go ahead, but I don't see that as helping our cause. It will only serve to separate us from NTs even more. The world doesn't owe us a pedestal, just a chance at getting along better in the NT world. |
I do agree with the above poster, integration is our means, not separation, however we also need to empower ourselves whilst doing that and establish that we are a minority group with a voice and equal rights to those around us. However I do agree, I don't think we should be walking around with sign posts and acting like we are the X Men.
I think to integrate, we need to show relevance and sufficiency towards the world we live in and the people around us which involves integrating, socializing and empowering ourselves to show that we are capable of survival. The basic things such as living independently, socializing, developing emotional reciprocity, these are the things that will help us integrate into society and therefore they are most important. |
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Catman
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| Mithos wrote: | | I'm so damn proud of my ADHD that I constantly go to rather large and unorganized ADHD Pride Parades. I also roll with my homies and we beat normal people down with wooden bats. |
Why wooden bats? Wouldn't aluminum be better? |
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Mithos
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| Catman wrote: | | Mithos wrote: | | I'm so damn proud of my ADHD that I constantly go to rather large and unorganized ADHD Pride Parades. I also roll with my homies and we beat normal people down with wooden bats. |
Why wooden bats? Wouldn't aluminum be better? |
I like the sound a wooden bat makes. 
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Catman
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| Mithos wrote: | | I like the sound a wooden bat makes. |
Well, alright. That makes sense. |
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Longshanks
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| gadge wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | | Invader wrote: | I think that most of those who claim autistic superiority believe that the way that NTs think and behave is simply idiotic. A lot of our so-called "problems" only exist because of the illogical and primitive systems which NTs use to run things
If we did not have to tackle their nonsense on a daily basis, many of us would not be having anywhere near as much difficulty as we do, so you can't really blame everything on our disorder, or "difference" as some prefer to call it. |
Yeah, I see where you're going. It's like being in a world of Cadillacs and all of a sudden a Corvette shows up and they just don't know what to do with it.
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@ Invader "because of the illogical and primitive systems"
Precisely. Nice to know that you are a man of culture, sir.
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@Longshanks would that be a '59 Caddy convertable and a '12 ZR-1 Vette ? |
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Sweetleaf
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I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment.
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gadge
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment. |
Definition of ACCOMPLISHMENT
1: the act of accomplishing : completion
2: something that has been accomplished : achievement <(its not just about this one word)
3a : a quality or ability equipping one for society
..b : a special skill or ability acquired by training or practice
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Sweetleaf
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| gadge wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment. |
Definition of ACCOMPLISHMENT
1: the act of accomplishing : completion
2: something that has been accomplished : achievement <(its not just about this one word)
3a : a quality or ability equipping one for society
..b : a special skill or ability acquired by training or practice |
Exactly why I don't see it as an accomplishment.
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Bun
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| Please may I know what people are talking about with the 'Aspies claiming superiority' issue? Which Aspies? Where? I swear I'm not playing dumb, and I know I'm asking for the second time. |
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eigerpere
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| I don't see how pride comes into the equation. I don't see it as a disease either, even if it can somehow technically be considered one. It's a neurological anomaly and a disability, for me. I don't see it as an asset as some do even though I'm gifted. It's a terrible hindrance and very difficult and painful, for me, to live with. In essence I'm excluded as a result of my deficiencies and that's very hard to live with. |
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Invader
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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^ As I said on the previous page, perhaps not all, but many of your difficulties are probably only difficulties because NTs expect you to think and behave in a certain way. They are the source of your exclusion, the disorder is not fully responsible.
| Atomsk wrote: | I'm certainly not one of the aspie/autie pride people; I don't even tell people about my diagnosis. Only a handful of people know. I try not to talk about it much with those people, as well.
For me, being proud of being autistic would be like being proud of being white or male or tall. I didn't do anything to be that way, so I don't take pride in it. I tend to take pride in things I have earned. |
| Sweetleaf wrote: | | I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment. |
I completely agree with this when it comes to things like national pride. It's ridiculous to be proud of something which you had no influence over, such as where you were born, and brag about it for no reason.
However, with something like "aspie pride", I think the kind of pride being discussed is different. It's not necessarily about them having accomplished something, it's simply a rejection of the NT idea that there is something wrong with them, and that they should be considered inferior.
When people talk about having pride in themselves, what they often mean is that they have their dignity, and won't allow themselves to be treated like less of a person than anyone else. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Invader wrote: | ^ As I said on the previous page, perhaps not all, but many of your difficulties are probably only difficulties because NTs expect you to think and behave in a certain way. They are the source of your exclusion, not the disorder is not fully responsible.
| Atomsk wrote: | I'm certainly not one of the aspie/autie pride people; I don't even tell people about my diagnosis. Only a handful of people know. I try not to talk about it much with those people, as well.
For me, being proud of being autistic would be like being proud of being white or male or tall. I didn't do anything to be that way, so I don't take pride in it. I tend to take pride in things I have earned. |
| Sweetleaf wrote: | | I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment. |
I completely agree with this when it comes to things like national pride. It's ridiculous to be proud of something which you had no influence over, such as where you were born, and brag about it for no reason.
However, with something like "aspie pride", I think the kind of pride being discussed is different. It's not necessarily about them having accomplished something, it's simply a rejection of the NT idea that there is something wrong with them, and that they should be considered inferior.
When people talk about having pride in themselves, what they often mean is that they have their dignity, and won't allow themselves to be treated like less of a person than anyone else. |
Well I agree people should not be considered inferior for having AS or any other mental condition really, but considering it can interfere with ones ability to function I don't think its too inaccurate to say there is something wrong with someone who has such a condition.
Also sometimes regardless of what one wants to allow or disallow, people can still treat them like less of a person if they would like to. Its not right but it happens. So I guess from my perspective I feel like being prideful of having a mental condition does not make a lot of sense and would probably attract negative attention.
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