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As much of a science advocate I am, I actually think the money might be better spent on other things.
Like I always say though NASA may be very critical in the future. If we can travel to a distant planet, or travel through the time, the money will be worth it. But science for the sake of science is narcissistic endeavor.
Our landing on the moon was pretty hedonistic. I mean the whole purpose of that was to prove how superior technologically we were to the rest of the world. This isn't what science should be about. Science should be about helping humanity and if the best way to help humanity is to take some of the funding out of NASA and give it to other areas, then I am fine with that.
I'd like to see money taken out of nuclear weapon technology as well.
Science should be about helping people, not proving a point, or destroying the world.
If someone can prove to me that NASA is about helping the world then I may change my mind.
Again this is not an attack on science and all it is a shame. But I just don't see the evidence that NASA is helping the world more than it is hurting by spending trillions of dollars on fun scientific technology. I mean it's fun, it's cool, but where is it headed? Is the whole of humanity being taken into account? That is the question that needs to be asked. |
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| jojobean wrote: | | Dilbert wrote: | Defense budget is not the largest chunk of the US federal budget: defense spending is about 20%. Majority of that money is spent on soldier's salaries... not weapons.
Wanna know what the largest chunk of the federal budget is? Entitlements: medicare, medicaid, social security, wellfare. Whooping 56%!
45% of US families receive government support. 
I have a solution for ya: get a job, drop the vices, and reduce discretionary spending. Don't eat junk food, don't drink, don't smoke, work out regularly, and maybe they'll be able to support themselves and won't need a handfull of expensive pills every single day.
A lot of issues would go away overnight if only people changed their habits. |
It is more complicated than that. Healthy food is expensive..many poor cant afford to eat heathy...junk food is cheap. Alot of people who work still recieve goverment help. The REAL unemployment numbers are around 25 percent, the Obama administration flat out lied about any progress they have been making on the economy. While they say it is at 9 percent, that number excludes those who longer recieve unemployment benefits but have not found a job...the underemployed are even a greater number. With them cutting min. wage in some states like florida, those who could scrape by on tips, may not have that option anymore
As for medicare, Tricare which is government and military insurance requires that its disabled people have medicare as primary. I wish they did not do this...it makes finding a doctor for those who really need good quality care near impossible because of all the severe cuts to medicare,all they are left with is quacks who no-one but those on medicare will go to because they have no other choice. But it is just the way they do things, not only old people suffer when medicare is cut, so does the injured and sick from the military. Great way to show their support for those sacrificing their health and life for their country.
Not all health problems are a result of bad habits, I have a life threatening seizure disorder, without expensive medication, I die. It took a long time to find a seizure medicine that works for me...the one I am on is expensive, but it works
In no way is my seizure disorder a result of bad habits but actually caused by an infant formula that was recalled by the food and drug administration because of a lack of nutritional regulations for infant formula. That has changed since...in fact, that event sparked legislation which made stricter nutritional guidelines for infant formula, before that, there were more nutritional guidelines for dog food than infant formula which greatly shapes how the infant brain develops...in my case caused a life threatening seizure disorder which I have nearly died from more times than I can count on both hands. Each near fatal seizure causes more brain injury due to a lack of oxigen to my brain because I quit breathing and my heart stops beating, the only thing that can stop my seizures is an emergency injectable seizure medication.
SO what do you say to the mothers of kids with downs' syndrome...eat better, exersize, stop taking so much expensive medicine? What about those soilders that have serious medical problems due to combat related injuries...hurry up an die already, thanks for your service, we no longer need you.
I mean really?? The budget problems can be resolved by a reasonable tax plan, I pay more in taxes than many CEO's....I dont think that is reasonable. It can also be resolved by bringing back the jobs that were sent over seas. Most jobs for average americans now days are service industry jobs which just doesnt pay well enough for the average worker to live in a way that one can eat healthy, and make sure all their needs are met.
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Well I agree here on this.....also I find it funny that a lot of the people who think taxes should not go to welfare, disability, food stamps and programs to help the citizens who are struggling advocate that people follow a strict set of rules where their personal life is concerned. Also when it comes to food if the government is so concerned with people eating junk food why don't they make the healthy food more affordable by subsidizing organic and/or local farms here in the U.S rather than subsidizing the companies that make the bloody junk food........don't quote me on complete accuracy for the food thing just an idea but I am not a 100% certain how all that works.
Another thing alcohol and ciggarettes are already taxed and they probably create a lot of revenue.......if everyone stops drinking and smoking wouldn't that mean less money going into taxes and less revenue for the businesses that sell or produce alcohol? Its kind of a vicious cycle.
Just a couple things i had throw into this discussion.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: |
Well I agree here on this.....also I find it funny that a lot of the people who think taxes should not go to welfare, disability, food stamps and programs to help the citizens who are struggling advocate that people follow a strict set of rules where their personal life is concerned. Also when it comes to food if the government is so concerned with people eating junk food why don't they make the healthy food more affordable by subsidizing organic and/or local farms here in the U.S rather than subsidizing the companies that make the bloody junk food........don't quote me on complete accuracy for the food thing just an idea but I am not a 100% certain how all that works.
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The money should stay in the hands of the people that earned it. It is their money. Not the public's money.
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| My money is mine by virtue of my having earned it. I pay taxes under duress by virtue of the threat of fines, fees and interest, confiscation of property, and prison time - this is called "Taxation". |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: |
Well I agree here on this.....also I find it funny that a lot of the people who think taxes should not go to welfare, disability, food stamps and programs to help the citizens who are struggling advocate that people follow a strict set of rules where their personal life is concerned. Also when it comes to food if the government is so concerned with people eating junk food why don't they make the healthy food more affordable by subsidizing organic and/or local farms here in the U.S rather than subsidizing the companies that make the bloody junk food........don't quote me on complete accuracy for the food thing just an idea but I am not a 100% certain how all that works.
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The money should stay in the hands of the people that earned it. It is their money. Not the public's money.
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Ok then how do you propose the government deal with the people who need some of the programs funded by taxes? Go ahead offer a solution......if you have a problem with taxes I am sure you could petition the government to get rid of taxes but you would probably have to offer some sort of better alternative.
'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
Are there no prisons? |
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Sweetleaf
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| Fnord wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
Are there no prisons? |
I don't see how that would solve the problem, the prisons are over-crowded as is.....but I guess simply not having enough money to make ends meet should be treated like a violent crime 
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| Fnord wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
Are there no prisons? |
So you show your true colors. Why not just have them executed? |
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| marshall wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
Are there no prisons? |
So you show your true colors. Why not just have them executed? |
I really must protest this notion, or soon we'll have the entire nation executed.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | marshall wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
Are there no prisons? |
So you show your true colors. Why not just have them executed? |
I really must protest this notion, or soon we'll have the entire nation executed. |
I'm leaving this discussion before I say something that breaks the terms of service.
And I just realized that Fnord doesn't realize that prisons require tax money.  |
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| Sweetleaf wrote: |
Ok then how do you propose the government deal with the people who need some of the programs funded by taxes? Go ahead offer a solution......if you have a problem with taxes I am sure you could petition the government to get rid of taxes but you would probably have to offer some sort of better alternative.
'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
The alternative to feeding deadbeats is not feeding deadbeats.
Over to you.
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| Vigilans wrote: | | I hope everyone gets used to the giant epic, patriotic communist artwork that is destined to cover the surface of the moon |
Hey now, red and gold look pretty good together. |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: |
Ok then how do you propose the government deal with the people who need some of the programs funded by taxes? Go ahead offer a solution......if you have a problem with taxes I am sure you could petition the government to get rid of taxes but you would probably have to offer some sort of better alternative.
'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
The alternative to feeding deadbeats is not feeding deadbeats.
Over to you.
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Well that's great then this will be a third world nation, with people starving in the streets, not a very good solution.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Ok then how do you propose the government deal with the people who need some of the programs funded by taxes? Go ahead offer a solution......if you have a problem with taxes I am sure you could petition the government to get rid of taxes but you would probably have to offer some sort of better alternative. 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
The alternative to feeding deadbeats is not feeding deadbeats. Over to you. ruveyn |
Well that's great then this will be a third world nation, with people starving in the streets, not a very good solution. |
Neither is robbing honest wage-earners, only to spend just 17 cents out of every dollar to feed those third-world people, while the rest of the money pays for limos, 7-course meals, corner offices, and 60-room mansions for the people who run the alleged "charities".
Why don't you donate all of your hard-earned wages to feed those third-world people? |
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| Fnord wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Ok then how do you propose the government deal with the people who need some of the programs funded by taxes? Go ahead offer a solution......if you have a problem with taxes I am sure you could petition the government to get rid of taxes but you would probably have to offer some sort of better alternative. 'Let those losers starve in the streets for not having money.' is not a very good solution. |
The alternative to feeding deadbeats is not feeding deadbeats. Over to you. ruveyn |
Well that's great then this will be a third world nation, with people starving in the streets, not a very good solution. |
Neither is robbing honest wage-earners, only to spend just 17 cents out of every dollar to feed those third-world people, while the rest of the money pays for limos, 7-course meals, corner offices, and 60-room mansions for the people who run the alleged "charities".
Why don't you donate all of your hard-earned wages to feed those third-world people? |
I don't have an income...for one, still working on finding work so I can have some amount of income to live on and what would donating everything I earn to a third world country accomplish exactly? Would that change the conditions that allow for all the starvation in these third world countries? probably not it would just cause me to not have income to live on....and maybe provide for a few to eat for a day but then they'd be right back to starving.
Also, if you have such an issue with taxes why aren't you petitioning the government to put an end to them? Also what do you propose to do about the fact not everyone has enough money to make ends meet other then simply doing nothing and allowing the problem to persist and increase until the good old U.S.A resembles a third world country, like Ruven suggested? Or do you have a non solution as well?
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