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Aspie_Chav
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 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:03 am Post subject: Aspies are logical, And NTs are generally not. Some answers. |
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I once tried to explain to someone that aspies are logically minded relatively to NTs
and the other person said that is a fallacy to believe this. Since then I have found this
website ironically named logical fallacies.
I assume that aspies are like me, when faced with a logical problem my ability to work it
out subject to my intelligence or cognitive skills. NTs seem to be subject to the multiple logical
fallacies out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I think that NTs in general choose to fraternize with logical fallacies.
My workplaces has daily quotes on the internet. "Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy"
Everyone at work agreed that this was right, except me. I said,' it can buy time, which can be used to find friends', it can also give you the freedom to live where you like. with more like minded people. It also can buy friendship education also.
What logical falliecies are involved regarding my workplace and my views. Including any that I might have made myself. |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Aspies are logical, And NTs are generally not. Some answ |
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| Aspie_Chav wrote: | I once tried to explain to someone that aspies are logically minded relatively to NTs
and the other person said that is a fallacy to believe this. Since then I have found this
website ironically named logical fallacies.
I assume that aspies are like me, when faced with a logical problem my ability to work it
out subject to my intelligence or cognitive skills. NTs seem to be subject to the multiple logical
fallacies out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I think that NTs in general choose to fraternize with logical fallacies.
My workplaces has daily quotes on the internet. "Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy"
Everyone at work agreed that this was right, except me. I said,' it can buy time, which can be used to find friends', it can also give you the freedom to live where you like. with more like minded people. It also can buy friendship education also.
What logical falliecies are involved regarding my workplace and my views. Including any that I might have made myself. |
The are logical Auties and illogical Auties. There are logical NTs and illogical NTs. When I was in graduate school I found that most of the mathematics graduate students were NTs, just like in the general population. Perhaps Aspies were over represented slightly but not much.
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Icyclan
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I find that aspies will generally have a firmer grasp on reality than NTs. We see the world for what it is, instead of what we (or others) want it to be. We are analytical and deduce things on basis of reason, rather than emotion. Many NTs seem to have problems distinguishing facts from opinions.
"Things aren't always as black or white as they seem," people will tell me. That may be so, but when they are, people don't want to see it. |
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The idea that we're more logical is bullshit. It's more like we're algorithmic thinkers, which means we're good at rule-based thinking but we're not good at making exceptions to these rules due to our rigidity. Also, that example of NT's being illogical is a bad one. The logicality of that saying depends on the context it is looked at. If you take it literally and think "Well homeless people are socially stigmatized more so than other people" then yeah it's going to seem illogical. If however you take the idea of friendship being mutual into context then it makes a lot of sense.
No one actually sees the world as what it is. Every fact is subject to interpretation. And I've seen plenty of Aspies here who are arrogant enough to think their opinions or subjective interpretations are facts. Let's stop putting ourselves at a pedestal and making ourselves out to be cyborgs. |
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Janissy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Aspies are logical, And NTs are generally not. Some answ |
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| Aspie_Chav wrote: | I once tried to explain to someone that aspies are logically minded relatively to NTs
and the other person said that is a fallacy to believe this. Since then I have found this
website ironically named logical fallacies.
I assume that aspies are like me, when faced with a logical problem my ability to work it
out subject to my intelligence or cognitive skills. NTs seem to be subject to the multiple logical
fallacies out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I think that NTs in general choose to fraternize with logical fallacies.
My workplaces has daily quotes on the internet. "Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy"
Everyone at work agreed that this was right, except me. I said,' it can buy time, which can be used to find friends', it can also give you the freedom to live where you like. with more like minded people. It also can buy friendship education also.
What logical fallacies are involved regarding my workplace and my views. Including any that I might have made myself. |
I looked through the list of logical fallacies but couldn't find one that exactly fit the mistake you made. That mistake is to equate friends (which can't be bought) with situations that make friendship more likely (which can be bought). Using money to buy a condo in a place where everybody is just like you and therefore more likely to befriend you is not the same as buying their friendship. I was looking for some sort of "false equating" fallacy but didn't find an exact match. |
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naturalplastic
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Aspies are logical, And NTs are generally not. Some answ |
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| Janissy wrote: | | Aspie_Chav wrote: | I once tried to explain to someone that aspies are logically minded relatively to NTs
and the other person said that is a fallacy to believe this. Since then I have found this
website ironically named logical fallacies.
I assume that aspies are like me, when faced with a logical problem my ability to work it
out subject to my intelligence or cognitive skills. NTs seem to be subject to the multiple logical
fallacies out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I think that NTs in general choose to fraternize with logical fallacies.
My workplaces has daily quotes on the internet. "Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy"
Everyone at work agreed that this was right, except me. I said,' it can buy time, which can be used to find friends', it can also give you the freedom to live where you like. with more like minded people. It also can buy friendship education also.
What logical fallacies are involved regarding my workplace and my views. Including any that I might have made myself. |
I looked through the list of logical fallacies but couldn't find one that exactly fit the mistake you made. That mistake is to equate friends (which can't be bought) with situations that make friendship more likely (which can be bought). Using money to buy a condo in a place where everybody is just like you and therefore more likely to befriend you is not the same as buying their friendship. I was looking for some sort of "false equating" fallacy but didn't find an exact match. |
Yes his post is utter nonsense.
Aspies tend to be more litereal minded than others, but thats not the same thing as being more logical.
An indeed the OP has demonstrated this in his post. It shows how he is more litereal minded than his workmates. He hasnt shown that he is anymore 'logical" than they are.
The aphorism that he is trying to dethrone hinges on the concept of "buying friendship".
Most people understand that phrase to mean lavishing gifts and cash on individuals so they will act if they are your friends. So he takes it the wrong way. But on top of that the wrong way he takes it is not even particularly "logical". It has logical flaws.
For example being rich may cause you to have less leisure time, and not more ( employed people have less liesure time than the unemployed). you have to huslte to get the legal tender in the first place. |
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YippySkippy
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I'm stuck on the "enemy" part.
What constitutes a better class of enemy? 
My guess would be a more inept enemy, so that he/she would be less likely to find a way to harm you, but I don't think having money would attract inept people.
I think having money would attract greedy or jealous enemies, and I don't see how that is "better". |
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Aspie_Chav
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: |
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The logical fallacies was "wishful thinking fallacy". Money does not matter in regards to social life and forming friends." this is probably a comfort for those who have little money. Could also be "bandwagon fallacy".
"Yes his post is utter nonsense." This remark is a form of "ad hominem", correct me if I am wrong.
Comments like this do not add any informational value, but can have the intentional effect of belittling the other person, and influeance other persons point of view. And personally never use such comments myself.
Regarding logic in aspies: Aspie are suppose to be honest also. Doesn't this contribute to logic. Lies intention are to influence the other person at the expense of logic. The point I am trying to make is that aspies do get logic problems wrong, but it is less likely to be because of logical fallacies. If I am wrong, could it be so wrong in showing a website regarding logical fallacies. I might need it myself.
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Aspie_Chav
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| YippySkippy wrote: | I'm stuck on the "enemy" part.
What constitutes a better class of enemy?
My guess would be a more inept enemy, so that he/she would be less likely to find a way to harm you, but I don't think having money would attract inept people.
I think having money would attract greedy or jealous enemies, and I don't see how that is "better". |
I assume a better class of enemy means more evil people who would do harm to aquire your money. |
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think we're more logical. As someone said, we're more algorithmic thinkers. But if we were truly more logical than there wouldn't be nearly as much disagreement in the PPR forum than there is. To me socialism seems logical, but to others libertarianism is. |
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Aspie_Chav
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Ok. Most of you agree that aspies are not any more logical then NTs.
I am attempting to falseify this claim. I assume we will do this intellegenty
and not come up with a premature conclusion. When I get home will continue
the conversation. Regarding socialism vs capitalism. I will in this instant assume
that their is no right methodology, but there is a right and wrong way to assertain
the truth. |
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marshall
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think people on this message board are more logical as a whole. It seems like a lot of people don't have a firm understanding of what logic is and what it isn't. A lot of people seem to conflate parsimony (i.e. the application of Occam's razor) with logic. People also falsely equate emotional detachment with logic. |
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Janissy
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| YippySkippy wrote: | I'm stuck on the "enemy" part.
What constitutes a better class of enemy?
My guess would be a more inept enemy, so that he/she would be less likely to find a way to harm you, but I don't think having money would attract inept people.
I think having money would attract greedy or jealous enemies, and I don't see how that is "better". |
Within the context of the saying, it means enemies who are higher up on the socioeconomic ladder. Money can't buy friends but, depending on how you spend that money, it could buy you Bill Gates or Warren Buffet as an enemy (or somebody of similar power). Whether or not that is "better" is a thread in itself, but it's what is meant in the saying. |
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Vigilans
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That would be nice if it were true but I see plenty of failures of logic here on WP that are related to aspie literalism. Take for example your interpretation of "Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy"
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marshall
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| Vigilans wrote: | | That would be nice if it were true but I see plenty of failures of logic here on WP that are related to aspie literalism. Take for example your interpretation of "Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy" |
That's more a matter of semantic interpretation than logical fallacy. It actually reminds me a lot of the "free cup vs. extra dollar" story and how people with aspergers and/or autism responded differently than NT's to that. The NT has a more deliberate/intentional interpretation of "buying friends" than the OP. From a perspective that is detached from the notion of direct intention, having more money can certainly lead to one acquiring more friends. |
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