| Who do you love unconditionally? |
| Nobody, not even myself. |
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36% |
[ 12 ] |
| Only myself |
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12% |
[ 4 ] |
| Only my kids |
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6% |
[ 2 ] |
| Only my family |
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21% |
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| My family + my friends |
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3% |
[ 1 ] |
| Only people of my nationality |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Everyone |
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21% |
[ 7 ] |
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enrico_dandolo
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Also of note is the Norman conquest after Hastings, which brought a strong influence of Old French, though, to my knowledge, there was no attempt at massive colonization. Thus, many English words ressemble French words, and from there other Romance languages, which is not the case with German.
Many words in -est exist in French with -êt/-ête endings: forest/forêt, request/requête, beast/bête. Circumflex accents often replace s in general, as in île. Same with -ty and -té (from the latin -tas) : city/cité/civitas (cf. Stadt), liberty/liberté/libertas (cf. Freiheit and freedom); -ous and -eux: ambitious/ambitieux. This makes for many doubles or near-doubles, when a French word was introduced but didn't replace an Anglo-Saxon word: ox/beef (in French, boeuf, from bos, bovis), kingly/royal (in French, royal, adjective for roi, earlier form roy, meaning king), understand/comprehend (compare French, comprendre, from latin comprehendere [cum, with, + prehendere, take], and German verstehen, where stehen is stand).
The English plural form in s is also from the French. This is apparent when we look at words with irregular plurals: ox, oxen, man, men (Mann, Männer in German, IIRC), child, children (Kind, Kinder in German. I don't know if they are related, but enfant is not). The -en endings are also typical of many German plurals
| Kraichgauer wrote: | Yes, I recall the Greek or Roman who had started out as a Hunnic slave, but had won his freedom, and thus became a dedicated Hun. I can't remember the name of the writer either, but he had met this man, as well had spent time in Attila's court, personally.
And actually, there had been a rebellion by the Ostrogoths and Gepids to free themselves from their Hunnish overlords after Attila had died, and all the Hunnish nobles and chiefs vied for power against Attila's legitimate heir. |
Found it: the chronicler's name is Priscus. The character about whom I was talking is Hunigis/Onegesius, probably born of Greek parents, but raised by Huns. The stories don't match, so presumably that makes two high-ranking Greeks or Romans! There is also a mention of another character who was a freed slave and adopted "Scythian"/Hunnic culture, but he was only a trader, not a familiar of Attila's. (I only have a secondary account, I'm affraid. You seem to know more about this than I do.)
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Kraichgauer
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| enrico_dandolo wrote: | Also of note is the Norman conquest after Hastings, which brought a strong influence of Old French, though, to my knowledge, there was no attempt at massive colonization. Thus, many English words ressemble French words, and from there other Romance languages, which is not the case with German.
Many words in -est exist in French with -êt/-ête endings: forest/forêt, request/requête, beast/bête. Circumflex accents often replace s in general, as in île. Same with -ty and -té (from the latin -tas) : city/cité/civitas (cf. Stadt), liberty/liberté/libertas (cf. Freiheit and freedom); -ous and -eux: ambitious/ambitieux.
| Kraichgauer wrote: | Yes, I recall the Greek or Roman who had started out as a Hunnic slave, but had won his freedom, and thus became a dedicated Hun. I can't remember the name of the writer either, but he had met this man, as well had spent time in Attila's court, personally.
And actually, there had been a rebellion by the Ostrogoths and Gepids to free themselves from their Hunnish overlords after Attila had died, and all the Hunnish nobles and chiefs vied for power against Attila's legitimate heir. |
Found it: the chronicler's name is Priscus. The character about whom I was talking is Hunigis/Onegesius, probably born of Greek parents, but raised by Huns. The stories don't match, so presumably that makes two high-ranking Greeks or Romans! There is also a mention of another character who was a freed slave and adopted "Scythian"/Hunnic culture, but he was only a trader, not a familiar of Attila's. (I only have a secondary account, I'm affraid. You seem to know more about this than I do.) |
That is correct about the Normans, along with the influence of the French language they had brought with them to England. And while there may not have been a massive migration to England, there were, still to be sure, Norman colonists having settled in England.
And thank you for finding Priscus. 
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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TheHouseholdCat
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It changes every now and then.
At the moment... it would have to be Thomas Newman. XD
I don't know whether that's a good thing, but he's great and I am glad he exists.
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donnie_darko
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| I still am troubled by the fact that there are hypothetically horrible things a person could in theory do that could destroy almost any love. I say it again: would you stop loving a family member if they murdered and tortured EVERY OTHER PERSON you loved? family, friends, pets, acquaintances? or would you still love them because they would be all you had left and you could rationalize their actions as an insanity they are not truly accountable for? |
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lostinthewoods
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Dogs. You should have put this option 
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enrico_dandolo
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | I still am troubled by the fact that there are hypothetically horrible things a person could in theory do that could destroy almost any love. I say it again: would you stop loving a family member if they murdered and tortured EVERY OTHER PERSON you loved? family, friends, pets, acquaintances? or would you still love them because they would be all you had left and you could rationalize their actions as an insanity they are not truly accountable for? |
I would stop loving them. I would stop loving anyone around whom I am always uneasy and from whom I gain nothing emotionnally. |
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heavenlyabyss
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | I still am troubled by the fact that there are hypothetically horrible things a person could in theory do that could destroy almost any love. I say it again: would you stop loving a family member if they murdered and tortured EVERY OTHER PERSON you loved? family, friends, pets, acquaintances? or would you still love them because they would be all you had left and you could rationalize their actions as an insanity they are not truly accountable for? |
Most people don't take the word unconditional love literally at all.
There is a reason why a lot of aspies are not in support of unconditional love - perhaps it is because they think the idea is illogical?
Unconditional love is not equivalent with being a good person. I suppose when you bring kinds is this world I higher level of love for them is required than the reverse. I don't think children are required to unconditionally love their parents - this is not a two way street. Having said that, I do love my parents, very close to unconditionally, but not quite. |
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donnie_darko
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| heavenlyabyss wrote: |
Most people don't take the word unconditional love literally at all.
There is a reason why a lot of aspies are not in support of unconditional love - perhaps it is because they think the idea is illogical?
Unconditional love is not equivalent with being a good person. I suppose when you bring kinds is this world I higher level of love for them is required than the reverse. I don't think children are required to unconditionally love their parents - this is not a two way street. Having said that, I do love my parents, very close to unconditionally, but not quite. |
Yeah I almost get the idea that 'unconditional love' means some kind of vague metaphysical thing, or it's fairly shallow like "I'll love you even if you annoy me". Though then again, 30% of the people here said they have unconditional love for everyone, so I wouldn't say aspies are any more skeptical of the concept than NTs. |
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I understand the word "love" to INCLUDE the "even when you annoy me" bit in the first place, otherwise it's just silly.
"You're so pretty when you're faithful to me" |
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monkees4va
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My family. I love my abusive alcoholic father unconditionally, but I hate that I do so. I'm disgusted by him. But the whole 'blood is thicker than water' thing rings true to me. I remember my grandfather who was so desperate to have a boy, then adored him unconditionally. Some of the things he did are pure evil. And no matter what they've done, your brain unconciously reminds you of the good, keeps you going. It's a defence mechanism. Not to recognise that part of you and your genetics. I didn't speak to him for four years. Now he never leaves the house, drinks almost two litres of whiskey throughout the day and the only human contact he allows is talking to philipino women online. Been made bankrupt for them.
But I'll still cry at his funeral. After all, hate and love are closely intertwined.
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LordGin
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| It kind of seems like the only person I love unconditionally is me. I do love other people, but I know that hypothetically there are things they could do to make me stop loving them. I've done plenty of bad things, and I'm a general waste of a human being, but I still love me. To be honest, it really weirds me out. |
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Neoninja
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| I love my friends as I love my family. It's not that I treating both as the same. To me they ARE the same. My friends are so important that I treat them like family. |
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I nearly ticked "everyone" but the bunch of kittens clause made me hesitate
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PTSmorrow
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Your poll offers a very limited selection ... only bipeds are mentioned.
Most of all i love my cats, then animals in general and nature as a whole. Next point would be my books and so on, but i guess that's not what you want to know.
I have a sister and we get along more or less, via emails, sometimes phone, though i avoid the latter as far as possible, but i don't think i love her. Not sure if i know how it feels to love a human. |
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CrazyCatLord
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| PTSmorrow wrote: | | Not sure if i know how it feels to love a human. |
I also don't think that I'm capable of loving another üerson. I'm a humanist, but I only like people from afar. I love humans and feel concerned for them in a general sense, in the same way that I love tigers and other large predators that might severely injure me if I ever got close to them. But I've never really loved an individual human being, and I don't think that I've ever been loved. If you love somebody, you stand up for them, defend them against criticism, and don't talk trash about them behind their back. Nobody ever did that for me, not even my parents. |
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