nick007
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: Message when server is overloaded is WRONG |
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Message says 
| Quote: | Wrong Planet is currently experiencing a VERY high amount of people posting messages to the site and can't handle the load.
We should be back in 1 to 2 minutes or less.
To pass the time, watch autism talk tv: |
The site is always down for a lot longer than 2 minutes. This message might would be accurate if there was a zero after the one & the two
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Shatbat
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:54 am Post subject: |
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I'd want to know... what happened?
I've not been around that long, so it's the first time it crashes for me but... why? |
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Alexender
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Read a long thread about it. Pretty much This site uses an old type of code that is hard to transfer (been modified), the server is completely overloaded all the time.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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TenPencePiece
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:51 am Post subject: |
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^ But by users does it mean members only or everyone who visits?
I've seen that error page plenty of times - maybe the first time it happened it actually was for 1-2 minutes or less 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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^^ Everyone who visits represents a load to the server, while pages are being served out to them.
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sliqua-jcooter
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| nat4200 wrote: | It annoys me too! I would like to add the following additional complaints about that page:
- It is served with a HTTP 200 response code rather than a code in the 500-599 range. Code in the 500-599 range are for server errors; 200 means "OK" and is the response code one should get when they are successfully served the page/s requested
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The page is displayed with a 200 response code to avoid the browser "taking over" with their own error message - every other service does the same thing (twitter is a good example). Having said that, the choice in software to run the site has nothing to do with me.
| Quote: | There's advertising on the error page  (as well as a Youtube clip). The error page shouldn't just be light on the server it should be light for the frustrated users. I feel having an ad on such a page is poor netiquette |
Again, I can't speak to any of this.
| Quote: | The site is hosted by the "Sliqua Server Environment" which boasts about having webhosting with high uptime and scalability to support a million users (WP currently boasts a mere 63 thousand members). I get that the WP might be hosted by Sliqua as a favor to the community, but my experience with this site is my experience with their hosting.
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First of all, Sliqua isn't doing anything for charity. We're a service provider, we get paid. Period. I wouldn't appreciate being paged in the middle of the night if we were.
Now, from a server load perspective, "users" is simply the raw requests per second. Our benchmarks on off-the-shelf code with off-the-shelf optimizations such as caching and database connection pooling (both features that WP just doesn't support) give us ~150 requests per second on our environment. We can do more in a clustered setup with load balancers.
WP doesn't come anywhere near that number on the same system, due to how it's coded. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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sliqua-jcooter
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| nat4200 wrote: | | sliqua-jcooter wrote: | | The page is displayed with a 200 response code to avoid the browser "taking over" with their own error message - every other service does the same thing (twitter is a good example). Having said that, the choice in software to run the site has nothing to do with me. |
In this regard, I am afraid I must argue that you are mistaken. Twitter does not do that, nor do the majority of other sites.
The sources I can find say Twitter's famous "Fail Whale" error page is served with the appropriate HTTP response codes (eg. 503).
More easily reproducible (I'm not going to try and get a 503 from Twitter) is a 404 response. Try visiting a Twitter page that shouldn't exist, I used: http://twitter.com/jfgwrhfbekavbksbtklsrtbg Note the friendly Twitter "Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!" page, now check the HTTP response code that page was served to you with. You should see that Twitter does indeed serve their "Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!" page with a 404 response code.
If you are concerned about Internet Explorer and its enabled-by-default "Friendly HTTP Error Pages" feature replacing your custom error pages, you should know that it will only do so if the error page you serve back to the browser is very short; short as in less then 512 bytes |
First of all, you seem to have missed the part where I said "the choice in software to run the site has nothing to do with me".
However, I wasn't referring to the IE 6.x-9.x "friendly" status code pages, I was referring to the early 5.x (which was later changed) policy to *always* overwrite a 500 error. When the software that powers this site was written, that was a "standard" practice implemented by the worlds most popular web browser (by far).
You can see that every other error code is exposed correctly:
| Quote: | [jcooter@mnemosyne ~]$ curl -v http://www.wrongplanet.net/woeruyhasdhfadg
* About to connect() to www.wrongplanet.net port 80 (#0)
* Trying 67.217.166.186... connected
* Connected to www.wrongplanet.net (67.217.166.186) port 80 (#0)
> GET /woeruyhasdhfadg HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.19.7 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.19.7 NSS/3.12.6.2 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/1.18 libssh2/1.2.2
> Host: www.wrongplanet.net
> Accept: */*
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< HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
< Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:56:26 GMT
< Server: Sliqua Server Environment
< Status: 404 Not Found
< Vary: Accept-Encoding
< Content-Length: 325
< Connection: close
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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| Quote: | [jcooter@mnemosyne ~]$ curl -v wrongplanet.net
* About to connect() to wrongplanet.net port 80 (#0)
* Trying 67.217.166.186... connected
* Connected to wrongplanet.net (67.217.166.186) port 80 (#0)
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.19.7 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.19.7 NSS/3.12.6.2 zlib/1.2.3 libidn/1.18 libssh2/1.2.2
> Host: wrongplanet.net
> Accept: */*
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< HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
< Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:57:31 GMT
< Server: Sliqua Server Environment
< Location: http://www.wrongplanet.net/
< Vary: Accept-Encoding
< Content-Length: 235
< Connection: close
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| nat4200 wrote: | | but honestly IE 5.x was superseded long enough ago that I'm not going to try and dig up anything more specific source to prove a point. |
Fair enough, regardless of who's "right" on a quirk of a browser that's been effectively dead for 10 years - the bigger point is that, at the time, the accepted way to code a custom 500 error page was to expose it as a 200 OK page to avoid this issue. And, technically, there's nothing wrong with that.
It's left up to the application developer to define what is, and is not, a failure as defined by the HTTP RFC. In this particular instance, when the application that powers this site can't load the dynamic content that makes up a page, it chooses to instead render a static page.
The application itself hasn't necessarily failed, it just isn't able (or willing) to take on additional load to give the user the intended page.
This is, of course, all completely semantic - and mostly irrelevant, but you *did* bring it up. |
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