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I think "not" having a "Book of Atheism" is a much more poignant statement
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| Vigilans wrote: | | I think "not" having a "Book of Atheism" is a much more poignant statement |
^^ Yeah, that seems plausible.
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| Vigilans wrote: | | I think "not" having a "Book of Atheism" is a much more poignant statement |
Who needs a book to live by when you have a grasp of reality? 
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| abacacus wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | I think "not" having a "Book of Atheism" is a much more poignant statement |
Who needs a book to live by when you have a grasp of reality? |
Exactly lol
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There are many things that we cannot be taught. We have to learn them for ourselves.
Morality is one of these things. Doing something because we're told to isn't moral. Doing something because we realise we should - that's morality.
So no book of morality for atheists. Besides, morality is never absolute. |
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This is one big fallacy in my opinon and just makes me sratch my head how can some one be angry at what they do not belive in 
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What I don't get is why atheists have this tendency to be such, well, dicks about their irreligion. I also get the idea that they would reject evidence that suggested they were wrong, if it ever did surface.
I'm not religious or an atheist, I'm an open skeptic on the matter, but nobody is going to convince anyone by telling them they are idiots and making lame overdone flying spaghetti monster references, I mean seriously, I heard that joke in 2004. It's just as arrogant as religious people bringing up Pascal's Wager, just a blatant disrespect of people's opinions. |
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| donnie_darko wrote: | What I don't get is why atheists have this tendency to be such, well, dicks about their irreligion. I also get the idea that they would reject evidence that suggested they were wrong, if it ever did surface.
I'm not religious or an atheist, I'm an open skeptic on the matter, but nobody is going to convince anyone by telling them they are idiots and making lame overdone flying spaghetti monster references, I mean seriously, I heard that joke in 2004. It's just as arrogant as religious people bringing up Pascal's Wager, just a blatant disrespect of people's opinions. |
Hey, if one of the thousands of gods throughout history came to be proven as real I'd be a believer in a second because it would be the logical position. Then, it wouldn't be a belief because the existence of god would be fact.
I'm not looking to convince a religious person that they are wrong, thats like trying to convince a rock that it has consciousness. However, what I and many other atheists seek to do is to limit the influence religion(s) have in our society because to govern and create formal norms based on something which is not factual is a less than optimal route for humanity to take. To put it bluntly, I don't care about a person's feelings being hurt or myself being considered rude or disrespectful when religious people make the kinds of claims they do.
The flying spaghetti monster is not a joke, its an analogy which demonstrates exactly how asinine religious faith is. |
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| donnie_darko wrote: |
I'm not religious or an atheist, I'm an open skeptic on the matter, but nobody is going to convince anyone by telling them they are idiots and making lame overdone flying spaghetti monster references, I mean seriously, I heard that joke in 2004. It's just as arrogant as religious people bringing up Pascal's Wager, just a blatant disrespect of people's opinions. |
Atheists ARE "open skeptics".
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Atheists ARE "open skeptics". |
Not really. I would say agnostics are. Atheists, despite what they may claim, usually are NOT open to the possibility of anything supernatural. They are die-hard physicalists. |
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Atheists ARE "open skeptics". |
Not really. I would say agnostics are. Atheists, despite what they may claim, usually are NOT open to the possibility of anything supernatural. They are die-hard physicalists. |
Most atheists ARE agnostics.
The two words deal with separate questions, those being knowledge vs. belief.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god, full stop,
regardless of your personal perceptions about what they're "open to".
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Most atheists ARE agnostics.
The two words deal with separate questions, those being knowledge vs. belief.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god, full stop,
regardless of your personal perceptions about what they're "open to". |
From wikipedia: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2][3]
The former, 'weak atheism' if you will, which is essentially identical to agnosticism, I would say is an open minded position. The latter though, I would consider to be rather narrow minded if one rejects even the possibility that deities may exist. |
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Rejecting the possibility of a deity is actually really damned simple. Here's the process:
There is no strong evidence for any god. People have been searching for said evidence for thousands of years. Therefore, it is a reasonable assumption that the evidence does not exist, and equally reasonable that gods do not exist.
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I love reading uninformed people's theories about atheism  one of the best parts of being an atheist!
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Most atheists ARE agnostics.
The two words deal with separate questions, those being knowledge vs. belief.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god, full stop,
regardless of your personal perceptions about what they're "open to". |
From wikipedia: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2][3]
The former, 'weak atheism' if you will, which is essentially identical to agnosticism, I would say is an open minded position. The latter though, I would consider to be rather narrow minded if one rejects even the possibility that deities may exist. |
I tend to define it better:
Atheism - The position that there are no theistic deities. A reasonable atheist will admit that the existence of a deistic god is possible, in fact in terms of probability, the existence of a deist god (IE a creator god that does not interact with the universe but is the creator of it) is equally probable as the Universe being an alien ant farm or something else. In simple terms, I'm an atheist when it comes to every religious god, but an agnostic when it comes to the deistic position. However, in the case of the deistic position, the existence of a god does not matter because it does not affect our lives in any way.
There is a huge difference between a theistic god and a deist god and the term "atheist" isn't really applicable to the deistic position. A position as an Atheist if evidence of the existence of a theistic god can be found, is an unreasonable position and not congruent with the empirical mindset that is the foundation of an atheistic position. |
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