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Sweetleaf
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| Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Oodain wrote: | | dont be silly, that would mean we eventually would run out of people to shoot!! |
Oh that will never happen their are always going to be plenty of people to shoot and I think a zombie virus could happen in real life but thats the voices in my head telling me that  |
If there was a zombie situation, I still would refuse the military, but I would certainly kill some zombies. |
In just about every george a romero movie the military is destroyed first by the zombies making it pointless people would just fight for themselfs like in Diary of the dead. |
so why the draft then? I certainly don't want to be forced into the group most likely to be the first to go in a zombie apocalypse.
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Oodain
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| Joker wrote: | | Oodain wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
No the Vietnamese didnt invade us but the British did and lots of terrorists groups have attacked us. |
terroist groups are not countries and they relocate anything of importance out of any countries the US invades, only to turn the local populace into a weapon, a senseless method with senseless results.
and the british? seriously?
that was how many decades ago and in how different a political climate? |
Me bringing up the British was a analogy and terrorists groups are memmbers of countrys that hate us thats why the US go after the terrorist groups that have attacked us and not the country as a whole also Japan who can for get about Peral Harbor. |
but terrorist groups are very rarely members of countries.
what countries "hate" the US?
there might be plenty of countries that have a justified reason to have an aprehensive attitude towards the US, if they should take responsibility so should the US.
then there are the coutnries that create anti american politics, do they "hate" you as a country or do they simply see a benefit to it?
even then you know nothing of the general disposition of the citizens, just about the only country where you can be sure the extroverted side of people is anti american is north korea and even that may be under coercion.
you say you only go after the terrorists but you have waged a decade long invasion to take care of that problem(without doing so), in two countries i might add, the results are not unique.
then comes the talk of collateral dammage, not only to people but also to infrastructure, socioeconomic situations and a host of other issues that serve no purpose but to aggrevate the local populace with little to no effect on the terrorists.
then there is a mention of japan, again you seem to be stuck in the past instead of looking to the future, if a war between japan and the US breaks out i think it is much more likely that the US will be the initiators, japan is a growing economic power with a relentless pursuit of technology and industry, they have little need for war, they dont cling to oil either.
also have you seen figures for the worlds defense spending?
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Joker
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| Oodain wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Oodain wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
No the Vietnamese didnt invade us but the British did and lots of terrorists groups have attacked us. |
terroist groups are not countries and they relocate anything of importance out of any countries the US invades, only to turn the local populace into a weapon, a senseless method with senseless results.
and the british? seriously?
that was how many decades ago and in how different a political climate? |
Me bringing up the British was a analogy and terrorists groups are memmbers of countrys that hate us thats why the US go after the terrorist groups that have attacked us and not the country as a whole also Japan who can for get about Peral Harbor. |
but terrorist groups are very rarely members of countries.
what countries "hate" the US?
there might be plenty of countries that have a justified reason to have an aprehensive attitude towards the US, if they should take responsibility so should the US.
then there are the coutnries that create anti american politics, do they "hate" you as a country or do they simply see a benefit to it?
even then you know nothing of the general disposition of the citizens, just about the only country where you can be sure the extroverted side of people is anti american is north korea and even that may be under coercion.
you say you only go after the terrorists but you have waged a decade long invasion to take care of that problem(without doing so), in two countries i might add, the results are not unique.
then comes the talk of collateral dammage, not only to people but also to infrastructure, socioeconomic situations and a host of other issues that serve no purpose but to aggrevate the local populace with little to no effect on the terrorists.
then there is a mention of japan, again you seem to be stuck in the past instead of looking to the future, if a war between japan and the US breaks out i think it is much more likely that the US will be the initiators, japan is a growing economic power with a relentless pursuit of technology and industry, they have little need for war, they dont cling to oil either.
also have you seen figures for the worlds defense spending? |
Iraq well at lest people from that country it just seems people dislike america out of pure jealousy I guess saying they hate us is a bit extreme. |
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Oodain
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there are just as many iraqi that on the day of the invasion hoped that the americans would kick some serious butt and free them from opression,
ten years in the costs have turned them against you, that and the attitude of americans towards them.
you still find plenty of iraqis that want to either help the americans or hope that they will help stabilize the region, maybe you should concentrate on satisfying them instead of shooting the ones that dont like you
im pretty sure the jealousy is vanishing 
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Joker
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| Oodain wrote: | there are just as many iraqi that on the day of the invasion hoped that the americans would kick some serious butt and free them from opression,
ten years in the costs have turned them against you, that and the attitude of americans towards them.
you still find plenty of iraqis that want to either help the americans or hope that they will help stabilize the region, maybe you should concentrate on satisfying them instead of shooting the ones that dont like you
im pretty sure the jealousy is vanishing |
I hope so if they would live in America for like a year they will learn the grass isnt any greener over hear. |
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jojobean
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| androbot2084 wrote: | | The military should develop non lethal weapons. |
We shall go to battle with water guns and nerf bats....just get this angst out and then go home....like the good ol days 
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| Oodain wrote: | there are just as many iraqi that on the day of the invasion hoped that the americans would kick some serious butt and free them from opression,
ten years in the costs have turned them against you, that and the attitude of americans towards them.
you still find plenty of iraqis that want to either help the americans or hope that they will help stabilize the region, maybe you should concentrate on satisfying them instead of shooting the ones that dont like you
im pretty sure the jealousy is vanishing |
The problem is that, ultimately a people can only make themselves civilized, we can't forcefully civilize them. This is not to say that certain countries are completely uncivilized, its just that their civilization is stuck at around the dark ages only and now they come armed with technology that was developed as a result of other countries moving on from said dark ages. |
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donnie_darko
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| People who say war and armies are necessary evils are simply making excuses for not abolishing them. |
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Oldout
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Why are we even talking about this? Eisenhauer told us what was going to happen and it has. The miltary-industrial complex must be fed, but that does not necessarily mean body bags. We now have drones, smart bombs and professional mercenaries.
Without the military-industrial complex our economy would be in much worse shape. I don't necessarily support the military-industrial complex, but I'm realistic to its existence and power. |
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MDD123
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | People who say war and armies are necessary evils are simply making excuses for not abolishing them. |
Armies can be about preparedness too. When not used for war, the national guard uses its civilian expertise on public projects.
Many young people who enlist simply didn't have anything better to do with themselves back at home and were looking for an escape. And in addition to learning how to fire a weapon and throw a grenade, recruits learn how to wake up at 430 in the morning and go running for 2 or 3 miles, stuff that people naturally don't want to do, but should if they want to move forward in life. People who get too comfortable are setting themselves up to not pay attention, the army is about giving up comfort for awareness if done properly. |
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hanyo
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I am against the draft and would move to Canada/hide out/go to prison/kill myself before I got shipped off to be horribly abused and bullied in basic training and sent off to war where I'd be expected to kill people or be killed myself.
I'm still against it even though because of my gender and age it's unlikely that I would be drafted. I have no diagnosis but I think I'd be able to get out of it due to me being mentally and physically unable to even handle basic training, plus I'm kind of gay. |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| hanyo wrote: | I am against the draft and would move to Canada/hide out/go to prison/kill myself before I got shipped off to be horribly abused and bullied in basic training and sent off to war where I'd be expected to kill people or be killed myself.
I'm still against it even though because of my gender and age it's unlikely that I would be drafted. I have no diagnosis but I think I'd be able to get out of it due to me being mentally and physically unable to even handle basic training, plus I'm kind of gay. |
You could always refuse to take the oath and be horribly abused and bullied in prison.
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hanyo
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You could always refuse to take the oath and be horribly abused and bullied in prison.
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I rather would since it can't be any worse than basic training. People yelling at me and bullying me and trying to make me do things I can't even do like they do in basic training would just make me break down in tears and be completely unable to respond or function.
Prison would be pretty bad too which is why I also included the kill self option. |
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blauSamstag
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| hanyo wrote: | I am against the draft and would move to Canada/hide out/go to prison/kill myself before I got shipped off to be horribly abused and bullied in basic training and sent off to war where I'd be expected to kill people or be killed myself.
I'm still against it even though because of my gender and age it's unlikely that I would be drafted. I have no diagnosis but I think I'd be able to get out of it due to me being mentally and physically unable to even handle basic training, plus I'm kind of gay. |
Exactly my purpose in suggesting it.
I'm not a coward but I'd never kill a man just because someone told me to.
The vast majority of americans are comfortable in their knowledge that there is no possibility they might end up on a battle field, so we're just fine letting thousands of people we don't know march into that meat grinder on our behest. |
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Joker
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| If I had my way every one that graduate from high school would sever two terms in the militiary. |
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