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| Alexender wrote: | | Everyone is always hot then. Sense cold just means absence of heat, but nowhere on earth is there complete lack of heat. Now if it turns out we are from the wrong planet... |
Could you go to the "North Pole" & say that again naked.
What temp is space?
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I think I see what you're saying, OP: that traits of AS are common in the population, but it is only when they become strong enough to become disabling that AS is diagnosed. Is that what you meant?
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| TechnoDog wrote: | | Alexender wrote: | | Everyone is always hot then. Sense cold just means absence of heat, but nowhere on earth is there complete lack of heat. Now if it turns out we are from the wrong planet... |
Could you go to the "North Pole" & say that again naked.
What temp is space? |
Absolute zero, never tried to memorize the exact number. And I don't remember if you would explode then freeze or freeze then explode.
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| Alexender wrote: | | Everyone is always hot then. Sense cold just means absence of heat, but nowhere on earth is there complete lack of heat. Now if it turns out we are from the wrong planet... |
Actually, everything is warm to a different degree, it is just so that most living beings are warmer than certain things, so they get less warm when they get near them. You're just substituting the meaning of "warm" with what is representable for "warm" in your head - in this case, something that feels warm (or hot, whatever).
Since my original question was answered, I'll use this thread to ask a related question. I was wondering about some secondary symptoms of Aspergers - like clumsiness. But then I found out that clumsiness is in a way also social awkwardness (and probably our reasoning is clumsy). Originally, I was wondering how come there are secondary symptoms if they are unrelated to social awkwardness, but they might be strongly related. If they are strongly related, then everything would make perfect sense. If not, then why are they accompanying social awkwardness for aspies, but not for regular people (who can be too socially awkward to a degree)? One such example would be high systemization, but I have already started a thread on it.
| Who_Am_I wrote: | | I think I see what you're saying, OP: that traits of AS are common in the population, but it is only when they become strong enough to become disabling that AS is diagnosed. Is that what you meant? |
Yes. |
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| Pragmatist wrote: |
Actually, everything is warm to a different degree, it is just so that most living beings are warmer than certain things, so they get less warm when they get near them. You're just substituting the meaning of "warm" with what is representable for "warm" in your head - in this case, something that feels warm (or hot, whatever).
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Then why did you correct me? And I probably thought of the word hot because it is hot right now
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| Alexender wrote: | | Pragmatist wrote: |
Actually, everything is warm to a different degree, it is just so that most living beings are warmer than certain things, so they get less warm when they get near them. You're just substituting the meaning of "warm" with what is representable for "warm" in your head - in this case, something that feels warm (or hot, whatever).
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Then why did you correct me? And I probably thought of the word hot because it is hot right now |
I misunderstood you, I thought you were disagreeing with me. Sleep-deprivation. |
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| Pragmatist wrote: | | Alexender wrote: | | Pragmatist wrote: |
Actually, everything is warm to a different degree, it is just so that most living beings are warmer than certain things, so they get less warm when they get near them. You're just substituting the meaning of "warm" with what is representable for "warm" in your head - in this case, something that feels warm (or hot, whatever).
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Then why did you correct me? And I probably thought of the word hot because it is hot right now |
I misunderstood you, I thought you were disagreeing with me. Sleep-deprivation. |
I was just trying to say if everyone has a little add and aspergers than everyone is depressed, happy, blue eyed, strong, etc.
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| Pragmatist wrote: | If we define "mental retardation" as insufficient intelligence, then we can say that even geniuses have mental retardation, to a degree, because they would have been more efficient if they had more intelligence.
However, only people with a very strong deficit of intelligence get a diagnosis for mental retardation, despite the fact that everyone would benefit from a higher intelligence. Therefore, it is entirely possible for everyone to have something that is considered a disorder.
If this wasn't clear, by saying that everyone has a mental retardation, I meant that mental retardation isn't a yes/no thing, it's more like being extremely short - everyone has it to a degree, but only the extremely short people would qualify. |
Your statements are bizarre and illogical.
Do you understand what a definition is?
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| Fraser1990 wrote: | | Everybody is on the spectrum. |
Incorrect.
Provide proof of your conjecture.
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| Roman wrote: | | Pragmatist wrote: | If we define "mental retardation" as insufficient intelligence, then we can say that even geniuses have mental retardation, to a degree, because they would have been more efficient if they had more intelligence.
However, only people with a very strong deficit of intelligence get a diagnosis for mental retardation, despite the fact that everyone would benefit from a higher intelligence. Therefore, it is entirely possible for everyone to have something that is considered a disorder.
If this wasn't clear, by saying that everyone has a mental retardation, I meant that mental retardation isn't a yes/no thing, it's more like being extremely short - everyone has it to a degree, but only the extremely short people would qualify. |
Exactly! And this argument applies to autism as well as other things like schizophrenia and mood disorders. The only exception is a disorder with well defined chromosomal abnormality, such as Down's or Fragile X. The very fact that autism is a ''spectrum disorder'' implies that it affects everyone and it is purely up to us to draw a line that would ''divide'' that spectrum into ''normal'' and ''affected'' parts; and that line is pretty arbitrary. |
Your understanding of spectrum is 100% incorrect.
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| Alexender wrote: | | TechnoDog wrote: | | Alexender wrote: | | Everyone is always hot then. Sense cold just means absence of heat, but nowhere on earth is there complete lack of heat. Now if it turns out we are from the wrong planet... |
Could you go to the "North Pole" & say that again naked.
What temp is space? |
Absolute zero, never tried to memorize the exact number. And I don't remember if you would explode then freeze or freeze then explode. |
Space is NOT absolute zero and it never has been.
Please learn about topics before you say such things.
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I was off topic and you correct me on something that was off topic?
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| Roman wrote: | | There is such a thing as ''shaddow mental illness''. If you have Asperger, for example, then you are likely to have relatives who show some signs but are too mild to be diagnosed. Now, if you take these relatives of yours and look at their relatives, then perhaps they have even milder signs, and so forth. So it is possible that everyone on the entire planet have some signs. If so, then it is exactly like you said: we all have it, but only the ones who have it to sufficient degree get diagnosed. |
Yep. I've found very interesting information on the Broader Autism Phenotypes.
| Quote: | | Now, the same is not only true about Asperger; it is true about all mental illness. Take schizophrenia for example. It has already been recognized that Schizotypal Personality Disorder is actually a mild version of schizophrenia, too mild to be diagnosed as such. Now, the patients with that disorder don't hallucinate. They just have superstitious beliefs and so forth. Now if you take someone else who has superficial beliefs but is not ''weird'' enough to warrant the diagnosis of Schizotypal Personality, it might still be true that they, too, are affected by schizophrenia, just to yet milder degree. Now, we ALL have superstitious beliefs, at least most cultures do. |
Interesting.
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All I have to say is I really like this thread because I have a big problem with absolutes and grey areas.
By that I mean I try to find faults in absolute statements and facts then try to solve the faults.
Of course this makes me very argumentative at times and most of the time it's over the smallest of details. |
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| Koi wrote: | Well it's a matter of over-diagnosis and not being able to separate symptoms from simple human quirks and nature.
After I was diagnosed with it my Mom got some books on it, and they all went over what is called "The Triad"—three categories of symptoms that a person must show or else they are not on the spectrum.
You can see The Triad here.
In matters of ADHD, I think it's over-diagnosed because it's mostly pediatricians that diagnose it, instead of psychologists. And of course, every child is more hyper and has more energy than an adult. |
Pfft. It's a myth that someone needs all of those to be diagnosed with Aspergers. In truth, Aspergers is mainly a bunch of either ors, and none of them relate to imagination, and I don't think anything directly relates to language in the DSM-IV criteria. To be diagnosed with AS one needs to have a certain amount of social difficulties, a certain degree of repetitive behavior, significant clinical impairment, and an absence of cognitive delays.
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