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| I get too bored to even finish the IQ test. |
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slave
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| Janissy wrote: | | Mdyar wrote: | The human mind is more modular than the psychometricians would like to admit. Testing fails at 'creativity' for one.
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A giant limitation of IQ tests (in addition to limitations already discussed) is that they only contain the questions and puzzles that the psychometricians themselves can think up. A truly outside the box creative thinker could have a middlng score because their thoughts are so diofferent from the thoughts (and therefore questions) of a psychometrician. Are psychometricians really the pinnacle of possible human intelligence? Doubtful. But somehow their view of the world (and the questions one should answer about it) got enshrined as the standard. |
Props! very well said!
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| I've tried to take IQ tests before, and I couldn't even complete them. I have too many problems with them. First, I can't focus on anything if I'm not interested in it, and I'm rarely interested in any of the questions. I get so bored and distracted that I quit. (This is one of the reasons I did so horribly in school.) Second, my math skills are a train wreck, and way too many of the questions are math related. (Another reason I did poorly in school.) Third, many of the questions simply don't make any sense to me at all. ("If this word means 'den,' and this other word means 'quaue,' then..." What the hell is this one all about, anyway?) The best I can say for my intelligence is that I can answer some of the questions in a heartbeat just by glancing over the text, and I can feel my brain making the connections quickly. I imagine this is how math wizards feel when they're working out a problem quickly, but I just do it with other areas. |
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slave
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| anbuend wrote: | | JSMC wrote: | I'm a student in electrical engineering specialised in electronic design. I'll be working in a clean room lab (Low Temperature Co-fired Ceramic circuit) for my master degree. I've done math contest when I was young. I've never studied in my life, even at university. But still got over average results. By comparing myself to other student in my department, I'm the fastest at laboratory work and even if I don't get the highest result, I'm sure my understanding are much more profound than everone else. When others takes the 4 hours allowed time, I can do much more work in 1h30. Many of my friends I've worked with on different project often say "For a pot head, you have strike of genius"... Most often in my exam, I don't need to study since most of the time we have access to one formula sheet or whatever we want (laptop not allowed). I can do a problem in a way the teacher never taught! I see the formula I need and apply them how I feel I need too.
I'm good at image/signal processing algorithm, printed circuit design, building stuff together (like my car which I modified a lot on my own, without any mechanic formation), art (drawing, painting, music,...), computer programming ... |
Never be too sure... among the people I know are:
A woman who was a PhD student in philosophy, capable of sustained language and abstraction the like of which I can't even close to comprehend, and got tested as part of getting services. Her tested IQ was 80.
A woman who has written something like seven or eight books, at least one of them a bestseller, has a college degree or two or three (can't remember exactly what degree she got), excellent singer-songwriter, gifted sculptor and painter, very moving poet. Her tested IQ is 67.
A kid who's been in college since the age of 13 or 14, and is thriving there, has done award-winning work in his area of interest, etc. His tested IQ is somewhere in the 30s.
So simply being really really good at what you do and being quick on your feet mentally doesn't mean you'll have a high IQ. Some of the most intellectually nimble autistic people I know, including people (unlike me) who have no particular deficits in conceptual thinking, have IQs ranging from 20ish-85ish. And some (like me) have had our IQs get noticeably lower as we get older. (Which is why I suspect my IQ is even lower now than it was when I was last tested.)
I have a friend who believes that most people really have some sort of consistent cognitive capacity that really is a sort of internal "IQ" of some kind. I don't believe that. She claims that I just think that because I have no such consistent capacity, but... with the people I've known, I' just doubt that IQ means anything but the test score. So even if you're tremendously talented in intellectual areas, it doesn't necessarily mean your IQ will turn out to be really high (or even high at all). |
I respectfully disbelieve your statements regarding these people and they are demonstrably inconsistent with many decades of research in psycho-metrics. Show me even one case in the literature of an individual with severe 'retardation' who succeeds in any real university. Please.
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Declension
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| I'm a "genius", but I don't take any pride in it. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I am a living counterexample to the idea that being a "genius" makes you a genius. I'm good at IQ tests, but I do the stupidest things you could possibly imagine, on a regular basis. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Declension wrote: | | I'm a "genius", but I don't take any pride in it. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I am a living counterexample to the idea that being a "genius" makes you a genius. I'm good at IQ tests, but I do the stupidest things you could possibly imagine, on a regular basis. |
Reminds me of D&D, weirdly enough.
If you've played D&D, you know that a character has three mental stats--intelligence, wisdom, and charisma. Charisma is people skills and people-related intuition as well as force of personality and confidence. Intelligence is "book smarts"--your ability to figure out puzzles, remember information, learn abstract information. Wisdom is your common sense--your awareness of the world around you, your street smarts, your intuition, your self-control. If you're good at IQ tests but have often been accused of not having any common sense, then your D&D-verse double would have a high Intelligence and a low Wisdom, and make a wonderful absend-minded professor of a wizard character. The opposite is also a possibility; I once played a high-Wisdom, low-Intelligence character who at first seemed like a typical near-illiterate peasant, but who had a lot of life experience to draw from and eventually became a mentor to the rest of the party. I picked the Druid class, which gave him a rapport with animals (you see, you don't have to worry about intellectual discussions when you're interacting with your horse or with the squirrel in the nearby tree), and had him communicate in a simple, taciturn style. It worked out well.
I like that concept--the idea that there are different sorts of intelligence and none is really more important than the others. I've never really liked the concept of general intelligence; I don't think it exists.
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Looneytunes
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I think Pezar is missing the point here.
Albert Einstein was not a Genius.
He was actually dyslexic.
I believe that his disability caused his mind to work all the time, trying to figure out the problems which he could not always translate into words.
People who are geniuses - usually end up dying alone - penniless and destitute.
My IQ is 155 or beyond.
I cannot hold a job, cannot get along with others, can write my feelings down better then I can speak.
I can sing better then I can talk.
I only have about 50% of normal hearing - hence I do not always hear what others are saying and I try to guess what I missed.
I was in several automobile accidents - none of which was my fault - which caused permanent brain injuries.
I probably lost the use of 1/8 of my brain.
But I use 100% of the 7/8ths that still works - as compared to most dumb asses that has a fully functional brain - but chooses to waste it on alcohol and drugs and watching television and playing video games and worrying about what others thinks about them on the computer or in real life.
I choose the path less chosen and I am a better person for doing it.
The difference between me and you is - I know what Stephen Hawking thinks about when he is thinking.
I know what Einstein thought about when he was thinking.
We have several basic needs, food , clothing, shelter, love and affection...
Give a man 3 good meals, clothes on his back, a place to live, someone to love them and others that likes them and they can live a fairly reasonable life.
The problem is - smart people thinks too much.
Their drive is not driven by greed.
They do not look for riches
The do not look for looks
They do not seek knowledge
But they all have one basic desire that most people do not.
They wonder - is this all that there is , and if there is - why am I killing myself trying to please others and solve their complex problems when my problems are much more complex then theirs.
All of the scientific formulas has one goal in common.
Is there a god and if there is a god, how can I prove it?
If I can't prove it, then how can I prove he does not exist?
Is there a heaven?
If there is a heaven - where is it located?
How can I get there?
Who makes the choice?
When will I die?
What will happen to me after I die?
What will happen to my family after I die?
The biggest question is - when is the last day on earth?
The end of time?
I have the answer - the earth will end the day I die.
There will be no more earth as we know it.
The world only revolves around one person - ME!
I am the chosen one.
I was sent here with a specific purpose.
I am going to do something great before I die!
I do not know what it is going to be, but I know that is the only reason why god put me on this earth!
SO - in order for me to do this, I have to do what ever it takes to get my from point A to point B.
Take away my sight - and I will develop a way to see without eyes.
Take away my vertebra or my legs - and I will find a way to travel
Take away my heart and I will create a artificial heart
Take away my lungs and I will develop a way to breath without lungs
Take away my kidneys and I will design a new form of dialysis.
Take away my voice and I will still be heard!
The problem here is - no one here realizes my genius.
Yes they applaud me when I create a scientific formula that explains the cosmos - but they never really develop a liking for me just for who I am.
I'm not invited to parties or weddings or gatherings for my good looks or my whit - but when the red lights starts flashing and everyone is screaming for help - who do they call?
Not ghost busters - that is for sure! |
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I have limited math skills and I never did well in school.
A lot of that has to do with the fact that there was a lot of bullying going on and I was more fearful for my life then I was about not passing a math test in school.
If you gave me a Rubiks cube - I wouldn't sit there and turn it and try to make the colors align.
I would either peel off the stickers and put them where I wanted them, or I would take it apart, put it back together in such a way - you never knew it was taken apart and put the colors where I wanted them.
Peg Board tests were just as comical - Square peg in a round hole - all you need is a big hammer.
The people would spend hours trying to get the damn pegs back out of the holes!
Things like hacking the schools computer system and changing all the maintenance records for the entire school year.
Tuning up a PA amplifier so it would receive the local radio station when the office - secretary tried to read the lunch menu.
Putting pennies in the mashed potatoes so the garbage disposal would break - that was my forte. |
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I don't know why but, This had me LMAO.
| jamesp420 wrote: | | My parents got me tested when I was 8 years old. Astonishingly I scored 163. They paid $400 for a test with a bull result. There is no way in hell I'm that friggin intelligent. |
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IQ 167. Not that it's done me much good.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| slave wrote: |
I respectfully disbelieve your statements regarding these people and they are demonstrably inconsistent with many decades of research in psycho-metrics. Show me even one case in the literature of an individual with severe 'retardation' who succeeds in any real university. Please. |
anbuend's not a liar (and has no reason to lie). She also hasn't been an active poster for several months, so you are unlikely to see any response to your demands. |
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A few of the disabled people at my school probably don't get good scores on IQ tests. Learning disabilities, congenital stuff, head injuries, ADHD, whatever. They're effective college students, though. And their doctors most likely know that the IQ tests aren't valid for that population to begin with.
The ironic thing about IQ tests is that they are normed for neurotypicals who are not unusually bright or unusually delayed. That's the group the test is most valid for--and the group that least needs it.
The IQ test also assumes that everybody develops in exactly the same way, and the only difference is in how fast or slow you develop. The more atypical your development, the less the IQ test applies to you. And even for people who are unusually fast or unusually slow, there are ceiling and floor effects to worry about, and the IQ test again gets less valid.
If there's anything we aren't, it's average.
Autistic people have atypical development and are far from average--often far above in one area, far below in another area at the same time, or else just qualitatively different. The more autistic someone is, the less the IQ test applies to them, because the assumptions we make when we try to use that test are no longer valid.
So, yeah, it makes perfect sense that someone could get an IQ score of 50 and still pass college classes--because if your brain is unusual enough, measuring your academic ability with an IQ test makes about as much sense as using your bathroom scale to measure air pressure.
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This thread is seven thousand years old.
The horse.
It is dead.
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| Modality wrote: | | I don't think IQ is the correct way to measure genius. One is known as a genius for producing works of genius, not by a score on some test. |
Yeah, it's a weird thing to do, even though it's interesting. A high IQ does not help if you can't make use of your abilities in life.
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I scored 157 on an IQ test over twenty years ago, and was even a member of Mensa for a brief time.
I'm not completely convinced by IQ tests. Neither by their rationale nor their significance.
However, at the time it made a difference to me. It made me realise that I wasn't quite as stupid as I'd been led to believe for much of my life.
But it wasn't until I got diagnosed last year that I finally discovered why I'd come to think of myself as stupid when I was young. It was a docile acceptance of other people's evaluation of the way I came across, my interests, and my attitudes. My ASD weirdness.
So now I know that I'm bright, that I don't fit in by nature, and should just do things my way. Better late than never!
I used to write novels in my mind, and stimming played a big part in that imagining. But whenever I tried to actually set them down (and I did spend a lot of my reclusive teenage years typing), they were terrible. This was a point of discussion during my diagnostic interview. What I saw in my mind reflected what I enjoyed in fiction - settings and big ideas. When I read a novel, the characters and their motivations are of minor interest.
But to actually write a book that's where the action happens - in imagining characters with faces and names, seeing their emotional responses. I didn't do that at all in anything I wrote. My characters barely existed and my planned novels were like beautiful film sets without actors... |
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