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Tequila
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| Ancalagon wrote: | | I can't really answer this without knowing exactly what you're talking about, but in my experience, this is wrong. Either that, or you're using the word 'violent' in a way that's very different from how I would use it. |
I think he's probably talking about rape porn. |
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Ancalagon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Tequila wrote: | | I think he's probably talking about rape porn. |
I know that exists, but it's certainly not sold in the U.S. in stores.
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Tequila
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| Ancalagon wrote: | | I know that exists, but it's certainly not sold in the U.S. in stores. |
Such stuff is more difficult to find commercially than you'd think. |
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LiberalJustice
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone else agree with feminism? |
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| AspieOtaku wrote: | | I am ok with Feminism as long as it doesn't go to the extreme where they will say and put up signs saying men are useless etc. No gender is superior over the other and no gender is useless. Once I came across a femenist extremist telling me that men are worthless etc and women can rule the world without men. I applied my logic to her remarks and said "without men you wouldn't be here, because you need the other 23 chromosomes to create you and I know it goes the other way around as well." Sure you could clone but it wouldn't be natures way cloning doesn't allow the human race to evolve as efficiently or replicate the human race fast enough if a natural disaster like a meteor was to hit the earth the human species would probably go extinct. No one gender that requires the means of sexual reproduction can live on without the other for it would mean extinction. Women are not sex objects or weak neither are all men stupid, useless, lummoxes who degrade women. There are good and bad in either gender therefore we should just get along and not hate or degrade each other. |
This. I also think another issue with radical feminism is that nowadays, working outside the home and whatnot is indirectly pushed on women and there are more than likely some women who would love to stay at home and raise the kids, but feel that if they did, they wouldn't be "doing their duty" so to speak. The centuries before World War II and the decade after, a working woman was almost unheard of and she was frowned upon by society as a whole, whereas now we have the reverse when we should have neither. The whole point of the feminist movement was to give women a choice, not be pushy about what women should and should not do with their lives.
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LKL
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone else agree with feminism? |
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| LiberalJustice wrote: | | AspieOtaku wrote: | | I am ok with Feminism as long as it doesn't go to the extreme where they will say and put up signs saying men are useless etc. No gender is superior over the other and no gender is useless. Once I came across a femenist extremist telling me that men are worthless etc and women can rule the world without men. I applied my logic to her remarks and said "without men you wouldn't be here, because you need the other 23 chromosomes to create you and I know it goes the other way around as well." Sure you could clone but it wouldn't be natures way cloning doesn't allow the human race to evolve as efficiently or replicate the human race fast enough if a natural disaster like a meteor was to hit the earth the human species would probably go extinct. No one gender that requires the means of sexual reproduction can live on without the other for it would mean extinction. Women are not sex objects or weak neither are all men stupid, useless, lummoxes who degrade women. There are good and bad in either gender therefore we should just get along and not hate or degrade each other. |
This. I also think another issue with radical feminism is that nowadays, working outside the home and whatnot is indirectly pushed on women and there are more than likely some women who would love to stay at home and raise the kids, but feel that if they did, they wouldn't be "doing their duty" so to speak. The centuries before World War II and the decade after, a working woman was almost unheard of and she was frowned upon by society as a whole, whereas now we have the reverse when we should have neither. The whole point of the feminist movement was to give women a choice, not be pushy about what women should and should not do with their lives. |
Men should have a choice, too, and not be looked down on for choosing to stay home with the kids (assuming that the couple can survive on one paycheck). |
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AngryDesiDoughboy
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | I think there needs to be a men's rights movement to compliment the women's rights movement. See, I view it as gender roles keeping both sexes down, not as men preying on women collectively. |
AMEN!! There is actually a men's movement but it's mired in spirituality and mythology. The best example of it is the book Iron John, by robert bly. That gets to be beyond gender issues though. I feel like men aren't supposed to be creative or fluid, in particular ASPERGIAN men. Men aren't supposed to be non derivative unless they're exceptionally nerdy or if they are an artist, and even then that just leads to more derivative snobbery somehow. Men aren't supposed to be deep, they're supposed to be buff, they can only like or do certain things that fit 'manly' roles.
Many women think all men are jerks. Many men think all women are a mysterious breed of passive aggressive species.
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Joker
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| AspieRogue wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | ^
Thanks for busting the stereotype that lesbians 'hate men'. However, I think you're projecting. Lesbian feminists are 'safe' to you because they have no attraction to you and don't really try to influence the power dynamics of straight relationships. Feminists that still have heterosexual relationships are more of a threat. Or they are more threatened by you. It could go both ways.
If I'm wrong, please give me some examples of what you mean by 'practising what they preach'. |
It's not that they're 'safe' to me, it's that I'm 'safe' to them. Homosexuals in general see the opposite sex as peers and don't size them up the way heteros do. In short, lesbians aren't judgemental of me the way straight women are and are able to take me at face value. |
I have gay men and women friends that accept me at face value also I know lesbiens that find some guys hot but have no sexual attraction to them the same with gay men with me im omisexual I do not base my sexual attractions based on whats between some ones legs I like the person which is all that matters to me. |
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AngryDesiDoughboy
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| I agree. It is possible for anyone to look at a person attractively even if they are the same sex, on a casual level. For instance I find native american men from certain tribes to be very attractive because they have such refined features and they have long hair which is also smooth. I don't think that makes me gay because I'm not turned on by it. |
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Joker
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| AngryDesiDoughboy wrote: | | I agree. It is possible for anyone to look at a person attractively even if they are the same sex, on a casual level. For instance I find native american men from certain tribes to be very attractive because they have such refined features and they have long hair which is also smooth. I don't think that makes me gay because I'm not turned on by it. |
That is a good example btw I have long hair and its smooth  and im native american on my fathers side of the family  |
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AspieOtaku
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If someone tries to keep you down and degrade your gender be it male or female true logic and facts conquer all. We are all human beings. I am a man and proud of it but I do not degrade women or be rate them doing so, in my honest opinion, a true man has honer and respect for women. In contrast a true woman has honor and respect for men and as an equal not as something higher or lower.
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androbot2084
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Embracing feminism would cause me to get fired from jobs because iI would face increased competition from females in traditionally male dominated work environments. But am I to deny someone their human rights just so I can have job security? |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| androbot2084 wrote: | | Embracing feminism would cause me to get fired from jobs because iI would face increased competition from females in traditionally male dominated work environments. But am I to deny someone their human rights just so I can have job security? |
I live in a country where equal rights are part of the law of the land, the result of it being that;
A: Gender domination inside sectors have had small changes at best and are still dominated by the sex that originally dominated them.
B: Women are increasingly demanding that they be compensated for not picking power and higher incomes. |
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androbot2084
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| I am a male but I actually prefer female fire fighters. Female fire fighters are the best qualified for the job because they have the most compassion. |
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