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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriag Reply with quote

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America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cartwright, are you on the hashish, boyo? I know they like that stuff in the Maghreb. Send some our way, wa alaikum assalaam Razz


He seems to just want to stir the pot Vigilans lets try not to feed the troll he seems to believe in things like christianity founded america which is propaganda I thank we both know thats not a true statement Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ban it? No. Completely remove it from anything remotely related to the government? Oh yes.


Funny you should say that I want the same thing.


Many people do. Religion has no place dictating laws to anyone but the people who *choose* to follow them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: The War on Religion Reply with quote

The War on Religion

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes yes. Now show us some proof instead of an article.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Ban it? No. Completely remove it from anything remotely related to the government? Oh yes.


Funny you should say that I want the same thing.


Many people do. Religion has no place dictating laws to anyone but the people who *choose* to follow them.


Of course a lot of people at my church do to we all know that when politics get in religion then religion becomes corrupt which is why I support seperation from church and state and shockingly I am a methodist and not the only one who shares this view.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikecartwright wrote:
America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.


"The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."- George Washington

As for the question, no, I would not. If the various religions in the U.S. (especially the Christians) can keep their religion out of my politics, I guess I can keep my politics out of their religion.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Ban it? No. Completely remove it from anything remotely related to the government? Oh yes.


Funny you should say that I want the same thing.


Many people do. Religion has no place dictating laws to anyone but the people who *choose* to follow them.


Of course a lot of people at my church do to we all know that when politics get in religion then religion becomes corrupt which is why I support seperation from church and state and shockingly I am a methodist and not the only one who shares this view.


I'm far more worried about the laws that would result, but hey. The end result is the same, and the end result is what matters.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The War on Religion Reply with quote

mikecartwright wrote:
The War on Religion

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

Ron Paul Archives

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM wrote:
mikecartwright wrote:
America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.


"The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."- George Washington

As for the question, no, I would not. If the various religions in the U.S. (especially the Christians) can keep their religion out of my politics, I guess I can keep my politics out of their religion.


Religion and Politicis dont mix period I dont want my faith in any form of goverment.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't ban religion but I would restrict it a bit more than it is now.

I would ban the making of any exemptions in laws on religious grounds.

I would remove the charitable status of religions and tax them as a business.

I would subject religions to the 'sales of goods and services act' - If I sell you a banana shampoo and claim it will lower your cholesterol, I am legal required to be able to prove that statement. If I sell you a holy banana and say that god guarantees it will cure cancer - the same laws should apply.

I would also hold preachers partially liable for the religiously motivated actions of their flock. - If you spend all your time preaching that devils posses children and then a mother that attends your church decides to torture her child to death on the grounds that they are possessed, the preacher of that church should also do some serious jail time.


Other than that, go nuts on the sky fairy front. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as their seperation of church from state churches will not get taxed Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joker wrote:
As long as their seperation of church from state churches will not get taxed Wink


Not true. Separation of church and state means that religions have no influence on the state, not that churches are exempt from taxation.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
As long as their seperation of church from state churches will not get taxed Wink


Not true. Separation of church and state means that religions have no influence on the state, not that churches are exempt from taxation.


True but the goverment doesnt tax churches because they stay out of church related things until they want to campign then it gets annoying.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
As long as their seperation of church from state churches will not get taxed Wink


Not true. Separation of church and state means that religions have no influence on the state, not that churches are exempt from taxation.


True but the goverment doesnt tax churches because they stay out of church related things until they want to campign then it gets annoying.


Actually it's because churches are considered charities. Which is total BS.
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