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Velociraptor

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

I am not saying that you are stupid or evil for believing in your god. I am just saying that if your god exists and the tellings of the bible are true, then he must be quite a Dick.

That's why I think Jim Gaffigan's joke about being Catholic meaning that you don't have to read the bible holds so much truth. Many just go to hear heart-warming, fuzzy, and uplifting antics for an hour a week and for the cookouts and picnics. Its the whole upper-middle class yuppy culture club really and they cut the pages of the bible to strings of paper dolls essentially because they're keeping what they want of it and wholesale throwing out the stuff that gives them any cognitive dissonance.

Like I said, they all only pretend to believe! No one actually does... well maybe a few of them that are traumatized into it... otherwise it is just a country club where people take their kids so they can scare the sh't out of them.

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject:

Joker wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Joker wrote:

In America religion is playing a lesser role in thing's such as politiics ect

Huh? My outsider (and thus objective) impression is that theocrats have gained power over American in the latest years. I don't think the current republican candidates would have had ground to cover 15 years ago.

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but people have the right to believe in or follow a religion and people have the right not to but their is a thing of moderation but both sides will always go at it it all comes down to the yin and yang really.

ok...

As of late the church has come under attack just take the time and the GOP make thing's difficult to believe in god they see a christian and think that he must vote republican thats not the case at all.

It is just an abstract argument... The government wants to keep people from breeding and sterilize people against their will for population control and to cut down on the number of aspies being born. The churches are saying government doesn't get to make that decision and they should make it instead by telling those people to never have sex or to become priests and believe in their BS for real. It's about time the people who were the focus of legislation knew what it was actually about and got angry about it and took to the streets... The government is supposed to fear the people here in the US remember?

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject:

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

I am not saying that you are stupid or evil for believing in your god. I am just saying that if your god exists and the tellings of the bible are true, then he must be quite a Dick.

I wouldn't be surprised if most church goers didn't really believe. Few want to say that the Emperor has no clothes. There are often repercussions for coming out of the closet as an atheist. I understand that a poll in the US showed atheists to be about the least trusted group. Hopefully, the Reason Rally will be a step toward reducing that perception. I know that many other countries have evolved beyond that type of thinking.

Rocky
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject:

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Rocky wrote:

I quit reading this thread at about page 9. Many of the posts seemed to show a confusion about terminology. In case no one else posted this, I will tell those who do not know what the difference is between an atheist and an agnostic. I was confused about this at one point.

Theism is the belief in a god (or gods.) Atheism is the lack of belief in any gods.

Gnostics claim to know that a god (or gods) exist. Agnostics do not claim to know that a god (or gods) exist. Some agnostics would claim that it is impossible to ever know such a thing.

Most atheists (even Richard Dawkins) are agnostic atheists. They have a lack of belief in any gods, but if enough evidence were presented that a god existed, they would become theists. They would then believe in a god's existence. Depending on the evidence, they could continue to be agnostic about the certainty of any god's existence.

Once I learned the difference between atheism and agnosticism, I realized that I have been an agnostic atheist for quite some time.

The problem with calling oneself an agnostic atheist is that most religions have all of these bases covered. If I admit to them that I believe there may be an unknown God and simply call him the Creator... well then, that happens to be their god. So there really is no word or name I can give this possible god that will not be hijacked by theist terminology... It's pretty fricken annoying actually...

I agree. Maybe if you referred to this possible creator using the word "it" or "she." Laughing

The problem you mentioned probably explains why people misunderstand Einstein when he refers to "God." I understand he thought of "God" in the same way Spinoza did: a (non sentient) set of laws that determine how this universe works.

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject:

Rocky wrote:

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

I am not saying that you are stupid or evil for believing in your god. I am just saying that if your god exists and the tellings of the bible are true, then he must be quite a Dick.

Try 99% of the adults are just there because the religious experience is something they really enjoyed... Finding Jesus was a romantic encounter with a member of the opposite sex and a general disillusionment for them. They believe that because it worked for themselves and most of people there that it is a good thing and that it has to happen. It is there way of being part of a community and being in judgement and making decisions.

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject:

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Rocky wrote:

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

I am not saying that you are stupid or evil for believing in your god. I am just saying that if your god exists and the tellings of the bible are true, then he must be quite a Dick.

If there are any non-believers reading this who want to find community in their area, try going to www.meetup.com and search for atheist or Humanist meetup groups in your area. Many cities have local groups. I understand Unitarian Universalist churches welcome atheists if you want a more traditional church environment.