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31 Mar 2012, 6:04 pm

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Why not be real men, and get yourselves a AK-47, or something? The guns about which you are writing are the firearms of choice for wussy liberals.

Good luck finding a place to target practice with that.


Hey, if thou hast an AK-47, then thou mayest practise upon any target thou desirest.

Heh, if its at a 50 ft range where they have a sign stating that you can shoot one round every three seconds and that they have the right to kick you out if you go faster - you'd be bored to sleep (let alone get a lot of funny looks when you bring it in). Aside from being bored to death you, you're correct - you have every right.

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Thou must be frequenting liberal target-practice places.

What I still wish I had were friends who have friends out in 'God's Country' where you can fire stuff off like that all day, if the neighbor calls the police and complains the police will tell them that the sounds of artillery are music to their ears. For a while my friend had a cottage/cabin down in a rural hunters area in central Ohio where we had a sandpit that I could take aim with my .22 tactical but, anything shorter than that - like the standard 50 ft.... :snoredrool:

That piece:
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Difference - I do have five of the banana clips, but also a Walthur scope and I typically use the flash guard which isn't shown here as well as a shoulder strap. Fun semi-auto - when you have the range, downside - even with CCI high speed utility it tends to jam every 10th or 11th bullet, part of why I want to get a 9mm next time and heck, kill two birds with one stone - smaller for better short-range plinking challenge and 9mm rather than .22 so I'm not spending half my time clearing jams.


Looks like a GSG-5. Whatever it is you definitely should not be having that many malfunctions with it.

I needed something to do with my tax return so I bought another piece just this afternoon.
It's a Smith & Wesson M&P .45 with tritium sights and three magazines.
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31 Mar 2012, 7:12 pm

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Look, safety is an illussion. You can have all the deterrent and repellent measures you want, but if someone really want to get you he/she will. That's what I mean with a hurdle - it extends time and trouble needed. Sure brandishing a gun can discourage an assailant enough to not try that a second time, but it isn't a certainty.


I don't need "certainty".
I'm pretty darned happy with my Glock, when I'm forced to walk through dimly-lit areas in my city, weighing 113 lbs, alone.
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NOT carrying it has consequences for me which are more than a bit worse than any "icky" feeling some get about firearms.

Guns "extend time and trouble needed"? I have no problem whatsoever blowing a hole in someone's face if I'm in such a situation again.
I was more than prepared to in a situation that occurred a few years ago when I was approached late at night downtown in a secluded place,
and the fact that I conveyed this in no uncertain terms to the individual is what ultimately made him take off.


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31 Mar 2012, 7:15 pm

I have a gun permint to carry my real mccoy with me when I go to charolette a lot of shady people live in charolette and will try to mug you any chance they get.



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31 Mar 2012, 7:57 pm

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Looks like a GSG-5. Whatever it is you definitely should not be having that many malfunctions with it.

Could be. I keep asking people, I keep getting dull shrugs and even people who supposedly repair guns are just saying "Well, that's how .22's generally are". Not sure what the problem is. :?


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31 Mar 2012, 8:55 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Looks like a GSG-5. Whatever it is you definitely should not be having that many malfunctions with it.

Could be. I keep asking people, I keep getting dull shrugs and even people who supposedly repair guns are just saying "Well, that's how .22's generally are". Not sure what the problem is. :?


Might still be under warranty......



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01 Apr 2012, 4:56 am

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That's not what I meant by that, firearms only complicate matters and escalate conflicts when added.

So you're faced with someone that's most likely going to kill or maim you and NOT doing anything to counter that threat it is going to save the day? Or are you saying that lying down and being a good little victim and accepting your fate is preferable to saving yourself?
I'm guessing the latter.


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The chance somebody gets killed skyrockets when added in a situation.

Better the aggressor be killed than his would be victim. The aggressor, by being an aggressor, has decided to put himself at risk to encroach upon my right to live and be whole. That being said, his life is in fact of less value than mine.
That's just how it is and how it will be as long as there are people on this planet, period.


Hi Raptor,

That sounds like "Might Makes Right", with aggression hiding behind bogus defense, cheered on by the crowd.

Goading an actual situation won't get many immunity points, as Tybalt discovers shortly after Mercutio does, with Romeo seeking less than defense after the prior best avoidance. Then the official justice of society, period.

In other situations, a property owner with the right to shoot any intruder banging on the door met the intruder having the right to shoot the property owner denying the intruder access to the toilet behind the door, but, fortunately, the intruder had "carelessly" left the gun home that day. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/20 ... ture/(page)/3

Your recommended school gun training might be good for the school yard maintenance business, since the left over lead in the sandbox might pose a health risk if not regularly sifted out. Then, stepping on the shell casings might cause dangerous falls in the hallways without improved janitorial operations for prompt & frequent removal.

A not so good defensive little victim discovered that those nasty videos might record facts better than enhanced & skillfully changed versions of reported conceived realities, so "life in prison plus 25 years for the shooting death of two men outside of Lookers in 2011," PERIOD. http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2 ... -in-prison

Such a nice sounding "Motion To Dismiss And For Statutory Immunity From Prosecution" was made too, as who wants to hunker in fear while weighing the consequences of supposedly make-believe social stratifications versus pulling a Big Brave Dirty Harry. Of course, there's no need to run when you know your true friends are coming.

From the "Death In Venice", relatives of Prince Hal connected the clubbing of baby seals with the "lying down and being a good little victim and accepting your fate", so that damn Ayn Rand infatuated Uncle GodBucks is on poor little Tadzio's back again, and they don't know whether to go PETA or to keep their pelts and guns while still waiting for GodBucks' last breath.

Baby Seals do make some websites sound so much more nice now: http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaign ... aled-carry

THANKS A LOT.....

Tadzio



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01 Apr 2012, 7:32 am

I am very insecure about the size and shape of my penis. Therefore, I need one of these

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That, and a Corvette.



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01 Apr 2012, 8:13 am

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I am very insecure about the size and shape of my penis. Therefore, I need one of these

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That, and a Corvette.


You know that's a .22 centerfire, right? As in a very small caliber? And not even a real one, judging by the orange tip.


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01 Apr 2012, 9:15 am

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I am very insecure about the size and shape of my penis. Therefore, I need one of these

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That, and a Corvette.


Another troll to add to the growing list......



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01 Apr 2012, 9:15 am

Yeah, that looks fake as all get out.


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01 Apr 2012, 9:16 am

Tadzio wrote:
Hi Raptor,

That sounds like "Might Makes Right", with aggression hiding behind bogus defense, cheered on by the crowd.

More like "would-be attackers have thrown away whatever claim they had to rights with both hands".


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01 Apr 2012, 12:48 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
Hi Raptor,

That sounds like "Might Makes Right", with aggression hiding behind bogus defense, cheered on by the crowd.

More like "would-be attackers have thrown away whatever claim they had to rights with both hands".


You'll find that Tadzio does not do well with logic.....



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01 Apr 2012, 6:10 pm

Raptor wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
Hi Raptor,

That sounds like "Might Makes Right", with aggression hiding behind bogus defense, cheered on by the crowd.

More like "would-be attackers have thrown away whatever claim they had to rights with both hands".


You'll find that Tadzio does not do well with logic.....

Dox47 wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
I am very insecure about the size and shape of my penis. Therefore, I need one of these
Image

That, and a Corvette.


You know that's a .22 centerfire, right? As in a very small caliber? And not even a real one, judging by the orange tip.

D.G.U.: DANGEROUS GUN USAGE.......with notice of plausibly ineffective "orange tip"

Hi Raptor,

Your posting " You'll find that Tadzio does not do well with logic.....", seems to have confounded the vast
differences between the avoidance of flawed fatal logic and the utilization of solid logic.

A book search for "N.R.A.: No Rationality Allowed" returns about 8,000 results. For instance.....:

"Shooting Ladders" by Gary Keeney

"Lethal Logic", by Dennis A. Henigan, with comments noted on amazon-dot-com of the knee-jerk reaction
to any valid use of logic to penetrate the gun bubble, an "N.R.A." bubble which dictates the limitations in
thinking to "No Rationality Allowed", under the N.R.A. rule requirement in se

"Elements of Reason: Cognition, Choice, and the Bounds of Rationality" by Arthur Lupia, Mathew Daniel McCubbins

"Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America" by Adam Winkler

.......

You will even find results for the NRA: National Recovery Act........! !! !

But, for any orgs grouped with "No Rationality Allowed", the practice with a safety that doesn't function at all, will most always go off half-cocked, with only a very short spurt of words at best sans possible major disaster.

For help with Logic at an appropriate level beyond a mere inside the bubble originating "BANG" of fruitless
possible penetration of the bubble, the book "Logic For Dummies" may again be of assistance.

Tadzio

With your attempts at Logic, please do not piecemeal elements, then isolate the parts, of wholes, implied by the English word "That....":
Tadzio wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Wallourdes wrote:
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That's not what I meant by that, firearms only complicate matters and escalate conflicts when added.

So you're faced with someone that's most likely going to kill or maim you and NOT doing anything to counter that threat it is going to save the day? Or are you saying that lying down and being a good little victim and accepting your fate is preferable to saving yourself?
I'm guessing the latter.


Quote:
The chance somebody gets killed skyrockets when added in a situation.

Better the aggressor be killed than his would be victim. The aggressor, by being an aggressor, has decided to put himself at risk to encroach upon my right to live and be whole. That being said, his life is in fact of less value than mine.
That's just how it is and how it will be as long as there are people on this planet, period.


Hi Raptor,

That sounds like "Might Makes Right", with aggression hiding behind bogus defense, cheered on by the crowd.

Goading an actual situation won't get many immunity points, as Tybalt discovers shortly after Mercutio does, with Romeo seeking less than defense after the prior best avoidance. Then the official justice of society, period.

In other situations, a property owner with the right to shoot any intruder banging on the door met the intruder having the right to shoot the property owner denying the intruder access to the toilet behind the door, but, fortunately, the intruder had "carelessly" left the gun home that day. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/20 ... ture/(page)/3

Your recommended school gun training might be good for the school yard maintenance business, since the left over lead in the sandbox might pose a health risk if not regularly sifted out. Then, stepping on the shell casings might cause dangerous falls in the hallways without improved janitorial operations for prompt & frequent removal.

A not so good defensive little victim discovered that those nasty videos might record facts better than enhanced & skillfully changed versions of reported conceived realities, so "life in prison plus 25 years for the shooting death of two men outside of Lookers in 2011," PERIOD. http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2 ... -in-prison

Such a nice sounding "Motion To Dismiss And For Statutory Immunity From Prosecution" was made too, as who wants to hunker in fear while weighing the consequences of supposedly make-believe social stratifications versus pulling a Big Brave Dirty Harry. Of course, there's no need to run when you know your true friends are coming.

From the "Death In Venice", relatives of Prince Hal connected the clubbing of baby seals with the "lying down and being a good little victim and accepting your fate", so that damn Ayn Rand infatuated Uncle GodBucks is on poor little Tadzio's back again, and they don't know whether to go PETA or to keep their pelts and guns while still waiting for GodBucks' last breath.

Baby Seals do make some websites sound so much more nice now: http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaign ... aled-carry

THANKS A LOT.....

Tadzio



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01 Apr 2012, 6:50 pm

I'm not a gun enthusiast, but I can't rule out the practicality of having one. It's just that firearm ownership is useless without proper safety measures, like locking all access points to the house/car, and remaining situationally aware when out in the open.

Criminals wouldn't be good at what they do if they gave their victims time to react.



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03 Apr 2012, 1:10 pm

I'm fine with guns for home use. WHat I'm not fine with is how easy it is for minors and criminals to get them...and the fact that some are trying to get laws passed allowing them in bars. Drunks with guns, that sounds like an action movie and if you shoot (heh, pun) a movie you'll have one!


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03 Apr 2012, 6:33 pm

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I'm fine with guns for home use. WHat I'm not fine with is how easy it is for minors and criminals to get them...and the fact that some are trying to get laws passed allowing them in bars. Drunks with guns, that sounds like an action movie and if you shoot (heh, pun) a movie you'll have one!


For minors and criminals to get them as in buy them?

For a dealer(including at a gun show) to sell someone a firearm they must;
1. Have the buyer provide proof of age and residency; 18 for rifles or shotguns and 21 for handguns.
2. Have the buyer fill out and sign an ATF form 4473. Part of this form is a questionnaire on personal history including illegal drug use, mental health, criminal record, etc. Lying about anything on this form is a felony.
3. Perform an online or phone in NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check on the buyer at buyer expense. The NICS must approve all transfers.
4. Waiting periods on all handgun transfers that varies by state.

The quickest way for a gun dealer to lose his FFL license (or worse) is to fail to follow the governing laws.