Reptillian
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All you need to know is this and there's plenty of sources where arousal from something is not what they actually want -
http://www.slate.com/blogs/humannature/2009/01/26/rape_fantasies_and_female_arousal.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20857185
Not equation rape with gay sex, but it does show that arousal has nothing to do with your actual wants. There's also a sexual philia where you are involved as being the opposite sex having sex with the opposite sex, but it's not something a usual person who fantasizes that would want. I do fantasy of being in the body of a woman having sex with a man as someone who doesn't give a crap about having sex, but it ain't something I want. |
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abacacus
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Wanting it is entirely beside the point. They are aroused by it. In my (admittedly less than scientific) opinion, that shows that even if you don't consciously want it there is a part of you that does.
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I hate both sides in this but feel like I have to support somebody... It's like the Super Bowl all over again  |
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Reptillian
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| abacacus wrote: | | Wanting it is entirely beside the point. They are aroused by it. In my (admittedly less than scientific) opinion, that shows that even if you don't consciously want it there is a part of you that does. |
From the fantasy or physiological standpoint only.... It does not reflect their preferences at all. There are even people who go against their orientation with regards to porn watching or even who they are married with or by who they have sex with while they're attracted to another group. Sexual attraction is something that has to do with sex and how you really feel in a sexual manners in another person while some kind of association is in there. It's a bit illogical to imply someone's sexual orientation based on their porn or who they have sex with or even by who they're married with though somewhat reasonable to try to imply. Most reliable answer is to ask them their orientation and take their words for it. |
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abacacus
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No, not really.
If a guy tells me he's straight and I find him ramming a dude from behind an hour later, he aint straight no matter what he tries to tell me.
Sexual orientation is based entirely off of who you want to screw. If a man isn't sexually interested in other men, he is not gay. If he is, than he is gay. I'm not sure why you keep trying to debate that.
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Reptillian
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| abacacus wrote: | No, not really.
If a guy tells me he's straight and I find him ramming a dude from behind an hour later, he aint straight no matter what he tries to tell me.
Sexual orientation is based entirely off of who you want to screw. If a man isn't sexually interested in other men, he is not gay. If he is, than he is gay. I'm not sure why you keep trying to debate that. |
Has it ever occurred to you that there are plenty of other reasons to screw one such as experimenting or pleasing another partner which isn't involved into sex or reproduction? Sometime homosexual/asexual individuals would go for natural form of reproduction because they don't see that cloning a individual would be a good choice and prefers to shorten the risks when it comes to reproducing. Honestly, as an asexual man myself, I wouldn't mind the idea of having sex for reproduction than pleasure itself if I find reproduction necessary though I would take measures such as genetic testing to see all is good before performing it. Sexual interest does not always play in the role of why one would have sex with someone. You can go ask a lesbian in the AVEN forum why would she screw men despite that she prefers romance with women and find women more pleasing while she even admits to having sex with plenty of men. I'll refer you to her if you still don't get this. |
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abacacus
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If she's going after both men and women, she is bisexual. Her actions confirm this whether she wants to admit to it or not.
I hate to break it to you, but you can't spin having sex by saying "well I'm not doing it for the sex." You're still doing it, no matter what your reasons.
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| abacacus wrote: |
I hate to break it to you, but you can't spin having sex by saying "well I'm not doing it for the sex." You're still doing it, no matter what your reasons. |
So a lesbian who has sex with a guy once to get pregnant is actually bisexual?
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| starkid wrote: | | abacacus wrote: |
I hate to break it to you, but you can't spin having sex by saying "well I'm not doing it for the sex." You're still doing it, no matter what your reasons. |
So a lesbian who has sex with a guy once to get pregnant is actually bisexual? |
If she was truly disinterested in men there are other ways to get pregnant. She might might have a strong preference for women, but when faced with multiple options to have a child she chose sex. That shows something.
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| Or it just shows that she doesn't want to take the risk using alternative methods to get pregnant which do have a higher chance of deformity and genetic issues. Asides, cloning isn't the brightest idea. Even if she's doing it for the pleasure of the man, there's romantic orientation which is separated from sexual orientation... |
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abacacus
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Where did I mention cloning? As far as I know cloning a human is illegal.
Have you never heard of sperm donation?
Also, higher chance of deformity and genetic issues as compared to what?
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Sexuality is much broader than just Heterosexual-Bisexual-Homosexual.
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Right. Not until they include video game story lines for fuzzy. balloon and scat fetishists will mankind truly be free.
"The plant Xysgrll will be destroyed within hours Captain. We have to act!"
A) "Do they have balloons?"
B) "fuzzy animal costumes?"
C) "Can't be bothered really"
D) "To infinity and beyond" |
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Vigilans
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| simon_says wrote: | Right. Not until they include video game story lines for fuzzy. balloon and scat fetishists will mankind truly be free.
"The plant Xysgrll will be destroyed within hours Captain. We have to act!"
A) "Do they have balloons?"
B) "fuzzy animal costumes?"
C) "Can't be bothered really"
D) "To infinity and beyond" |
Haven't you heard of Rule 34?
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visagrunt
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| abacacus wrote: | If she's going after both men and women, she is bisexual. Her actions confirm this whether she wants to admit to it or not.
I hate to break it to you, but you can't spin having sex by saying "well I'm not doing it for the sex." You're still doing it, no matter what your reasons. |
You have fallen into the trap of determinism.
Sexual behaviour and sexual orientation are not one and the same.
If someone puts a gun to your head and orders you to perform oral sex on a someone of the same sex, only an idiot would refuse to peform the act. By your logic of "you're still do it, no matter what your reasons," duress is insufficient to distinguish sexual behaviour from sexual orientation.
You are opinionated, but you you are clearly wrong. What's worse, you are presumptuous. You are not competent to draw conclusions about anyone's sexual orientation other than your own. Sexuality is a complex subject that does not fit into the rigid little boxes that you have created for it.
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