Raptor
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Raptor wrote: |
Trying out for spelling nazi?
That "you're" thing was my iPhone which auto- corrects even when it's wrong. |
Ooohhh. Are you comparing me to Hitler? You're (you are) way out of line.  |
I wasn't standing in a line before I said it therefore I wasn't out of line.
Besides, I'm the conservative so that makes me the nazi. Just ask any liberal. |
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Cornflake
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Ooohhh. Are you comparing me to Hitler? You're (you are) way out of line. |
Actually no; it's you.
Stop jabbing other posters lest they (or I) jab back.
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auntblabby
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| if a conviction results, i wonder how far the appeals process will go. sans conviction, i wonder what form a civil lawsuit will take, if it will end up anything like what happened to mr. football or mr. goetz. |
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Dox47
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:30 am Post subject: Re: The other side of the Trayvon Martin story... |
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| AspieRogue wrote: | COOL STORY, BRO!
How does it feel that your beloved folk hero just got busted? Zimmerman was lying through his teeth to the media about what REALLY happened. Funny how pictures of him afterwards show no sign of head injuries or any sort of physical trauma consistent with the assault he claims was inflicted upon him by Trayvon. As much as I believe in self-defense and SYG, this chump was doing neither of the sort. Also, you really don't seem to know much about this guy do you? He already has a criminal record and a history of getting physically out of control. Call it character assassination, but the truth about this man and who he really is has finally come out. He's far from the upstanding citizen that american conservatives have tried so hard to make him out to be. You can hope that he gets off, but that is highly unlikely. Man, I'm sure that his butt cheeks are clenched real tight now considering all the brothas in there who are itching for his behind. |
How does it feel to be a guy that gets all gleeful about the sexual assault of an as yet unproven guilty person? Or even of a proven guilty person, for that matter.
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Tadzio
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Location: Banned-4-Epilepsy, USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:48 am Post subject: So Triggered, Stand Your Ground Silky Wipes Fail Backers |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | AspieRogue wrote: | COOL STORY, BRO!
How does it feel that your beloved folk hero just got busted? Zimmerman was lying through his teeth to the media about what REALLY happened. Funny how pictures of him afterwards show no sign of head injuries or any sort of physical trauma consistent with the assault he claims was inflicted upon him by Trayvon. As much as I believe in self-defense and SYG, this chump was doing neither of the sort. Also, you really don't seem to know much about this guy do you? He already has a criminal record and a history of getting physically out of control. Call it character assassination, but the truth about this man and who he really is has finally come out. He's far from the upstanding citizen that american conservatives have tried so hard to make him out to be. You can hope that he gets off, but that is highly unlikely. Man, I'm sure that his butt cheeks are clenched real tight now considering all the brothas in there who are itching for his behind. |
How does it feel to be a guy that gets all gleeful about the sexual assault of an as yet unproven guilty person? Or even of a proven guilty person, for that matter. |
Hi Dox47,
You previously answered your own questions:
| Tadzio wrote: | | Dox47 wrote: | Here you go Tadzio, since your selective understanding of idioms seems to still be troubling you so much, go ahead and fill this out and submit it:
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I'm sure people will take your claims far more seriously if put into this form. |
Hi Dox47,
Sorry to hear about your very frequent need to utilize your official bu******forms. I am very glad not to be your proctologist.
Your being so sure with your proffered advice has no foundation, as your astronomical submissions of your form hasn't seem to have had sufficient beneficial results for you to be noticeable of experiencing any benefit, other than more possible irritation for the attempted seemingly failing macho effect.
Your occult pain may be the top factor of irritability with you preferring SYG over sitting.
At least you should be well protected from any challenge to your record book standing of filing your SPUBBA complaints & remedial ointment volume discount forms.
Your SYG support will continue to fail after careful and rational review.
Tadzio |
which followed:
SUBJECT: Prevarications Through Slick Wording Used By SYG Backers
| Tadzio wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | I agree with Stand Your Ground laws. It's about time somebody recognized that people should not be punished for defending themselves and fighting back. If someone comes up to you and wants to beat the crap out of you, you can fight back and not have to go to jail. Sounds like an awesome law to me. It protects the vulnerable and maybe bullies will think twice about coming up with their fists if they know such a law exists and they can get seriously injured or killed and the person defending themself will not face any penalties. It should be like that in schools, too. The person who tries to avoid the fight at all costs should never face punishment for simply standing their ground when under a threat. |
Hi ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo,
Under the law before the new 2005 "Stand Your Ground" Law, any "person who tries to avoid the fight at all costs" would have already been protected from facing punishment. The 2005 "Stand Your Ground Law" removed ANY AND ALL duty to "try to avoid the fight". For instance, in the 2011 SAAVEDRA case, the judge noted (page 8 ): "Under current Florida law, the Defendant had no duty to retreat, but, even so, the evidence clearly shows that the Defendant did, in fact, retreat in several ways and was legally entitled to meet force with force, even deadly force."
http://media.naplesnews.com/media/static/20111230150108.pdf
Individuals with autism are 50 times more likely to be shot by a private citizen than shot by a police officer.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2009_release.pdf
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_15.html
Calling such homicides by private citizens as "Stand Your Ground" Self-Defense shootings with complete Immunity is outrageous.
When a "legal gun carrier" uses the gun in the commission of a crime, the "gun carrier" has just lost the rubric of "legal gun carrier", so a deceptive polemic is stating that no "legal gun carrier" has committed any criminal gun act.
Some "pseudo" would-be SYG'ers go as far as to make claims like:
"I can change reality with my words; it's called persuasion, lobbying and activism",
as during when they try every tool of verbal prevarication they think will might work in twisting the truth to fit to their point of view. When I noted in one response that the manipulation of words had tended to result in incorrect facts, to absurdities, I received the response:
"As a rule I don't like to club baby seals, it's unseemly and tiring on the wrists, but if you insist on nipping at my heels all the time I might just indulge you,"
Mod. edit to correct misquote and restore omitted text: "In plain English: Keep insulting me personally and I will return the favor."
and, a majority of people at a local university I asked about the intensity of the remark, took it as a threat of deadly violence.
No SYG from wrists concerns then, but any SYG with free speech & right to political opinions, etc., leads to third-party involvement desired suddenly by the bully with the tendency to indulge in clubbing baby seals.
Tadzio |
The "rule" that everybody forgets everything in 48 hours is not a "correct" rule. Something to do with such as Galatians 6:7, isn't it??? Like maybe including "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Then, I'm the one receiving demands to write a new bible, after the Aeneid and the Satyricon!!!! (No Ayn Rand).
Of The Holy Iurodivyi,
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CoMF
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: Re: The other side of the Trayvon Martin story... |
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| AspieRogue wrote: | | Do you REALLY think Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder? |
You do realize that depriving Zimmerman of his day in court is as much an affront to civil rights as denying Martin justice simply because of his skin color, right? The Fifth and Sixth Amendments set the standard for the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.
Furthermore, the 2nd Degree Murder charge is a technicality. All of the circumstances surrounding the case point to voluntary manslaughter (or, in this case, "manslaughter" since Florida law doesn't differentiate between "voluntary" or "involuntary" manslaughter). However, under Statute 775.087 (Florida's "10-20-Life" law), the charges get elevated to a first degree felony by default due to the fact that Zimmerman used a firearm to kill Martin. |
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CoMF
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: Re: The other side of the Trayvon Martin story... |
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| AspieRogue wrote: | | What makes you think that I said Zimmerman should be denied a fair trial? It is my opinion that he's guilty but I find it very telling that you're acting so butthurt by what I said. |
Nah. I'm just amused by the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset, regardless of how "guilty" the defendant happens to appear.
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simon_says
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He may never even make it to trial. Florida interprets their SYG as allowing for a special hearing before a judge, who has the option of throwing it out before trial even begins. There was also a case that prosecutors complained about in the media where two drunks were arguing in a bar, they left, and one pursued the other in a car. When the pursued man leaned into the car (presumably to fight), he was shot and killed. The Florida SC ruled that was SYG and it never went to trial.
It depends what evidence the state has and what kind of judge they get. |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: The other side of the Trayvon Martin story... |
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| CoMF wrote: | | AspieRogue wrote: | | What makes you think that I said Zimmerman should be denied a fair trial? It is my opinion that he's guilty but I find it very telling that you're acting so butthurt by what I said. |
Nah. I'm just amused by the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset, regardless of how "guilty" the defendant happens to appear.
U mad bro? |
Of course. The Black Youth is always innocent and the Overweight White Man is always guilty.
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Dox47
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: The other side of the Trayvon Martin story... |
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| AspieRogue wrote: | | Do you REALLY think Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder? |
It doesn't matter if I think he's guilty or not, what matters is that to you rape is apparently an acceptable punishment for someone you think is guilty, and to me it's never acceptable, period. Don't get me wrong, I'll make rape jokes all day long, but this unfortunately prevalent "rape is never ok, unless it's gay prison rape in which case it's hilarious" thing bugs the sh*t out of me.
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Dox47
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Hanlon's Razor states : Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but when faced with a guy who's main argumentative tool is Google who only seems to misunderstand idioms when he thinks he can turn them against someone, I'm going to go with malice. I believe you know exactly what I mean by butthurt, Tadzio (Google knows), as you're making an excellent display of it right now, just as I'm sure you understood my previous idiom for counter-insulting, especially as I explained that one in plain text, which you always conveniently leave out when (mis)quoting me. Now I'm not particularly concerned about poorly constructed insults being attempted at my expense, but following someone around a forum perpetuating a vendetta is sorta frowned upon around here, so you might want to just stick to the subject matter in the future.
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