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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:55 am Post subject:
AspieOtaku wrote:
China taking the lead in wind energy devolopment. So much for the dirty air eh?btw This vid is about 6 years old
Wind Generation of electricity is intermittent and cannot be used as a major power source for industry. Until a high capacity economical battery is developed for storing wind and photo-voltaic electric energy neither wind nor photo-voltaic can be relied on to power a first rate industrial economy. China relies primarily on her coal fired electrical generating plants. China has large deposits of coal and coal has a high energy density (Joules/cubic Meter).
China has the filthiest air among the leading industrial countries of the world. That is because of the major use of coal to generate electricity.
Until a proper battery is developed neither wind nor photo-voltaic can provide the power needed by a first rate industrial nation. At best it has a niche use in certain areas of the country where wind is steady. Wind generated power can supplement power generated by other means, but it cannot replace it.
Yes, there is terrible poverty in the Chinese countryside, especially the mountain areas. What to do about it is another matter. The land is often not very yeilding, especially in Western China. What would you do, the people are resistant to changing there ways? I understand that, as they would be lost trying to fit in with modern culture.
China really does have problems if it does not use coal. The Three Gorges big dam along with many others solves part of the problem, but at what cost. China has been building many dams, whilst Canada has been trying to do without them. Is the Canadian guy here to tell us about that?
Historically, certainly in the UK, major industrialisation and economic expansion had a cost, with a lot of pain. Nothing changes there. I think it is very sad that the poor people have to pay it, whilst the rich live off their backs, and I am not particularly left wing.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:20 am Post subject:
AspieOtaku wrote:
China taking the lead in wind energy devolopment. So much for the dirty air eh?btw This vid is about 6 years old
Have the Chinese developed a decent battery for storing their wind generated energy? Answer: No.
There is work being done at MIT to make economical high capacity batteries that can store wind and light generated power. Until that happens the so called "green renewable sources" are of limited use in a first rate industrial country. The U.S. generates and consumes over 4 quads of power each year. Wind and Photo-voltaic are miniscule and fractional by comparison.
The only reasonable course for both China and the U.S. is to pave their countries from one end to the other with breeder reactors that use thorium as the base fissionable. Fission power produces no carbon dioxide and breeder reactors can consume "waste" to produce power. There is very little radioactive residual that needs to be disposed of.
But the eco-phreaks fight nuclear power tooth and nail. They want us to live in a wind-mill powered society and live on nuts and berries.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject:
Lets not forget they have a space program Just like US and Russia do. Sure they are not the first to do so. However I would not underestimate their capabilities. _________________ Your Aspie score is 193 of 200
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Lets not forget they have a space program Just like US and Russia do. Sure they are not the first to do so. However I would not underestimate their capabilities.
The Chinese people are an intelligent, hardworking and badly governed people.
If the Chinese were more free in what they could do they would recapture the glory of Old China which at one time was a lightyear ahead of the rest of the world.
The Chinese people are an intelligent, hardworking and badly governed people
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Yes, certainly, but..............one Chinese friend said to me there was no chance of democracy working, they've always been at each others throats and still will be.
I once said the a young Chinese man who was close to me, isn't it so that the Chinese need to be more innovative. He laughed and said "what.......the Chinese innovative. I suppose this centuries Chinese history hasn't helped innovating thinking, but change will come. I think the hope is that the Chinese who study overseas will take something better back with them. The western system of education encourages more innovative thinking. I've known quite a few Chinese people who got there MSc here. I've also known a lot of educated women who came here to start a new life, I suppose free from a bad marriage, but they don't talk about it much. Oppression is very counter productive, but isn't that too obvious, at least to us westeners.
China is light years ahead in dirty unbreathable air.
ruveyn
And, very ironically, in funding research for renewable energy. It's very strange. You kind of have to wonder if the people building the roads and power plants even talk to the people giving out research grants.
China is a monument to Crony Communism. It is a gangster state with various empires and satraps within the state scoffing up what loot they can. China is the People's Republic of Crooks.
ruveyn
Yeah, but its really effective and proves that a country that is primarily focused on social issues will lose to one entirely focused on economic growth.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:56 pm Post subject:
TM wrote:
Yeah, but its really effective and proves that a country that is primarily focused on social issues will lose to one entirely focused on economic growth.
Their leadership is focused on wealth and power. Just like our leadership.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject:
ruveyn wrote:
TM wrote:
Yeah, but its really effective and proves that a country that is primarily focused on social issues will lose to one entirely focused on economic growth.
Their leadership is focused on wealth and power. Just like our leadership.
ruveyn
Yup that is america for you wealth and power I agree.
I have just been watching a Chinese documentary about how mine workers live after serious accidents. A man who was blinded got very little compensation and manages to farm some land. We saw the video of him hoeing the land. Another man discovered he could do embroidery and works at least 12 hours a day. That is from a man who has to lay flat on his back all the time. This is a privately owned mine.
Yeah, but its really effective and proves that a country that is primarily focused on social issues will lose to one entirely focused on economic growth.
Their leadership is focused on wealth and power. Just like our leadership.
