vermontsavant
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| Declension wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | Let's stop saying b**** please, we don't hate her for being a woman |
I don't think that calling her a "b****" implies that you hate her because she is a woman. There are lots of fun insults which only work if the person is in a certain category. If you call a man a "b***ard", you're not saying that you hate them because they are male. If you call a kid a "little punk", you're not saying that you hate them because they are young.
I think that the modern feminist idea that "b****" is a hate word is just misguided. Compare the following two sentences. Which one doesn't make sense?
| Quote: | | I thought I was going to get along with the new woman at work, but it turns out that she's a b****." |
| Quote: | | I thought I was going to get along with the new black guy at work, but it turns out that he's a n*****." |
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i agree that the statements were anti Jenny McCarthy not anti woman,however online its best to error on the side of caution
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vermontsavant
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| aghogday wrote: | [quote=
As you felt the need to voice a concern over what you perceived as a comment that was not fair to women as a gender, I felt the need to voice a concern over what I perceived as a statement that was not fair to children as group that had not been vaccinated. If you can reasonably justify how your comments were fair to those children, I will sincerely apologize for pointing it out.  |
good point
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Why are people even listening to a stupid porn star in the first place?
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| vermontsavant wrote: | | aghogday wrote: | | vermontsavant wrote: | | diseases that were formaly almost wiped out by vaccines are on the rise.there was a measles mini epidemic in france recently.this was caused by any people not vacinating there children.however it is not known if fear of autism is what is detouring vacination.to laugh and say there is no danger is wrong.google the measles breakout in france and tell me im wrong |
Not sure if you are addressing my posts, but I have personally stated several times that it is an ill-advised decision not to vaccinate a child. The positive benefits outweigh the risks, per research.
Of course, if there is an inherent health issue documented that potentially threatens the life of the child, if they were to be vaccinated, it is completely reasonable that they should not be vaccinated. In this case the risks would outweigh the benefits.
I do think that is pretty rare though; and my understanding is that one of the only ways to avoid vaccinations for children in the US, is to homeschool children, since the vaccinations are legal requirements to attend school in most cases.
I've heard different viewpoints from different experts as to why the new measle outbreaks are occuring. There are many areas of the world where children are not vaccinated, where outbreaks of these communicable diseases have continued and the diseases continue to have the opportunity to mutate with a human host environment.
There is always the potential of a strain occuring that modern vacines do not protect against in some individuals, but there is no doubt that some parents are avoiding vaccinations because of the "autism vaccination scare". Most health professionals, consider it risky not to vaccinate children, and real cause for concern. |
i was just addresing the fact that you said it was rude to imply unvacinated children were a spawn of danger,i was just making the point that there have been a rise in vaccinable diseases lately |
Immune suppressed adults who could not be vaccinated as a child because of immune system problems as a child, are objectively more likely to catch all diseases, and objectively more likely to spread all diseases to others, particularly other immune suppressed individuals; even more so than these unvaccinated children who are not immune suppressed.
However, that is not the fault of the immune suppressed adults or unvaccinated children; neither groups deserves to be called spawn or brats, because they are more likely to catch and spread disease.
If someone referred to the author or another individual that was immune suppressed using those words, I would have pointed that out as well.
It's not just a matter of being rude to me; people call people spawn when their behavior is evil and people call people brats when their behavior is bratty, when those disparaging comments are used in proper context, although it's not allowed per the site rules here, on a personal basis.
The disparaging comments are not fair as used in common usage, when one uses these comments towards others that cannot be justified, as in this case, when unvaccinated children as a faceless nameless generalized group have done nothing on their own accord to deserve the disparaging language.
In my opinion it would be like calling the group of innocent men in the Tuskegee experiment spawn, because they were not treated for veneral disease, and might continue to spread the disease to others, because the government withheld treatment from the men. Just as the children, they had no control of the decisions that were made for them.
And also, just to clarify, the author didn't use the phrase spawn of danger. I didn't state she said that or implied that; the children were referred to as spawn of the parents who did not vaccinate the children. |
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vermontsavant
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i did not use the term spawn either,i another poster did and i said i did not think that use of language was all that bad in the context of the point.as far as i know the poster who used that term hasnt used it since so its a mute.sorry if i upset you.cordialy and sincerly benjamin
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| Ganondox wrote: | | Why are people even listening to a stupid porn star in the first place? |
As in most cases genius does not dictate what one does in life. There are several porn stars with IQ's documented in the genius range.
She really isn't known for being a pornstar in the US, she is known for being a playboy centerfold, toilet humor comedian, game show host, and has done lot of other things to receive public attention as a celebrity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy
Per the link above about 24% give some credibility in the general public on what she has had to say as a celebrity on the autism issue, but 76% don't; which is pretty indicative of her general popularity among the public. The minority of the people like the kind of comedy she does, the playboy stuff, MTV stuff, etc.; the majority don't likely pay her much mind.
Her former husband, Jim Carrey, was extremely popular among the American Public, as a comedian; he was likely a big part of why people gave her the attention that they did regarding the Autism Issue.
The anti-vaccine related movement, as it relates to autism started in the 90's; she didn't come on to the scene until 2007.
While she has garnered some attention over the issue, there is no actual evidence that a significant number of people are basing their decisions on whether or not they vaccinate just on what she has to say about the issue.
Beyond that the CDC reports that over 95% of children are still receiving proper vaccinations, in the US. The actual rate of exemptions requested for vaccines has only risen slightly in about half of the US, mostly in western states. Overall vaccinations rates have not been going down significantly per reports from the CDC, in the US.
And interestingly enough, it is the people with higher educational levels and economic means, as reported in research, that are the ones that are the majority of the small percentage of individuals making the decisions not to vaccinate their children.
States allow parents the opportunity to exempt their children from vaccinations, and have done so since the beginning of vaccination programs, for a number of reasons, including medical reasons, philosophical reasons, religious reasons, and fear over side effects..
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/health-science-technology/the-vaccine-war/why-arent-parents-vaccinating-their-children/
Since over 95% of children are still getting vaccinated in the US; at least in the US, the Pro-Vaccine ideology, is the overwhelming champion, in the so called vaccine-war.
The US meets the World Health Requirements for herd immunity with the 95% required rates of vaccination.
The vaccine scare is effectively a real problem in Europe. In the UK vaccination rates have fallen to 80%, suggested in part, as a result of the studies iniated by Wakefield in that country.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/12/autism-vaccine-fraud-wakefield-cost-money-deaths/
| Quote: | | Naturally, it doesn't help when studies like Wakefield's scare parents. In the U.K., for example, vaccination rates dropped to 80% in the years following the study -- much lower than the 95% the World Health Organization recommends to ensure herd (or community) immunity. |
People are giving Jenny McCarthy more credit on this problem than she deserves, in the US. Neither Wakefield or McCarthy is significantly impacting vaccination rates in the US, as reported from what they have been in the distant past.
Apparently Wakefield may have been respected enough in the UK, in part, to actually scare people into not vaccinating their children, in large numbers, through the potential that his research might lead to a vaccine-autism link.
His research and McCarthy appear to be a relative non-player in the reported statistics in the US. Although the controversy has been a topic of public discussion in the US.
In some of the reported recent outbreaks of measles in the US, the children identified as the original individual with measles, were from other countries, where vaccinations rates were much lower.
So actually, in reality, some of the reports of large numbers of individuals not vaccinating their children in the US, have effectively been a fear mongering tactic, not really backed up with facts, by some that are concerned that people might not be vaccinating their children because of the efforts of Jenny McCarthy and Andrew Wakefield.
The individual that no one has talked about on this site, that has a real core following of a small percentage of individuals in the US, that actually believes most of what ever he says, is Alex Jones from Info Wars, who has been promoting the vaccine government conspiracy theories for years, Wakefield has been interviewed on his radio show.
Jenny McCarthy is a non-issue compared to Alex Jones; Jenny McCarthy has relatively little measured influence on the actual behavior of the public, as a reaction to the source of information on any topic she discusses, but hundreds of thousands of people listen to the "Info Wars" stuff on a religious daily basis.
I wonder how many here even realize this, considering that most probably do not listen to the right wing antics of Info Wars.
The rising numbers of exemptions from vaccinations are in western states, where conservatism is the norm, instead of the exception. This is where Alex Jones and Info Wars has the most influence, not an ex-playboy bunny or toilet humor comedian.
I've never heard his name or his show mentioned in any autistic community as part of this issue. But he has had a huge influence among his core groups of followers, for whatever ideology he provides.
But, if "Info Wars" is influencing anyone not to vaccinate their children though the government vaccine conspiracy theories, and interviews with Wakefield on the "Info Wars" radio shows, it doesn't appear like a significant number are taking heed to his advice, even in the western conservative states, per reports by the CDC, on individuals seeking exemptions.
The overwhelming majority of people in the US, +95%, are still much more afraid of communicable diseases, than the potential side effects of vaccines. Herd/Community immunity is still intact in the US, according to the Word Health Organization. The real effective problems are in some European countries, where the idea of a Autism link to vaccines was originated, in the 90's.
A google search on the internet on infowars and vaccines picks up close to 2 millions links. Here is just one example below from the last couple of weeks.
While relatively few people are listening to Jenny McCarthy, literally millions of individuals are paying attention to Alex Jones and this Info Wars stuff every day. And, some are believing whatever is propogated.
http://www.infowars.com/78-percent-increase-in-autism-rates-over-past-decade-coincides-with-new-vaccination-schedules/
| Quote: | 78 percent increase in autism rates over past decade coincides with new vaccination schedules
Jonathan Benson
Infowars.com
April 3, 2012
The rate of autism among American children has nearly doubled over the past decade, according to a new report released by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), jumping from about one in 150 children back in 2000 to about one in 88 children in 2008, which is the last time official estimates were calculated. And interestingly, this steady rise in autism rates coincides directly with CDC-endorsed vaccination schedules that have also risen sharply since the 1980s. |
http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/truth-shock-how-alex-jones-and-gcn-have-revitalized-the-talk-radio-industry/
| Quote: | | On any given day, the phone lines start ringing an hour in advance in the GCN studio. Alex Jones has global listeners, from Singapore to South Africa to the South Pole. Every day, his live audience numbers from 300 thousand to 350 thousand, with his replays nearly as high. His downloads, podcasts, and archives push his daily numbers into the millions. |
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| vermontsavant wrote: | | i did not use the term spawn either,i another poster did and i said i did not think that use of language was all that bad in the context of the point.as far as i know the poster who used that term hasnt used it since so its a mute.sorry if i upset you.cordialy and sincerly benjamin |
Sorry, the point was already discussed sufficiently; the level of detail I provided really wasn't necesary.
I wanted to make sure that it was clarified that I didn't state something that the poster didn't say, in regard to the children being spawn of danger instead of what I actually reported she said about the children being spawn of the parents whom did not vaccinate the children.
You didn't upset me at all, nor have you ever upset me. Just wanted to clarify the communication. |
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vermontsavant
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| aghogday wrote: | | vermontsavant wrote: | | i did not use the term spawn either,i another poster did and i said i did not think that use of language was all that bad in the context of the point.as far as i know the poster who used that term hasnt used it since so its a mute.sorry if i upset you.cordialy and sincerly benjamin |
Sorry, the point was already discussed sufficiently; the level of detail I provided really wasn't necesary.
I wanted to make sure that it was clarified that I didn't state something that the poster didn't say, in regard to the children being spawn of danger instead of what I actually reported she said about the children being spawn of the parents whom did not vaccinate the children.
You didn't upset me at all, nor have you ever upset me. Just wanted to clarify the communication. |
thank you and best wishes
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This thread is telling us not to listen to Jenny McCarthy. To be honest with all with you, I have never listened to her to begin with. I cannot even tell any of you what she has ever said. However, my opinion of her based on the consensus of the members of the WrongPlanet is that I do not trust her.
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Ive heard a lot of people, including Hollywood Gossipers, say her son isn't even autistic.
knowing her, i wouldnt trust it til i saw the medical papers. heh...
but whether he is or not, I think she's flailing in the whirlpool of her fading career and popularity. i feel bad for the son, having a mother like that.
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| Sorry if this has already been answered or mentioned but does anyone know if Dan from Cracked is autistic? My girlfriend said he reminds her of me. He's also my favourite Cracked member and most of the stuff he likes and opinions he has I share. |
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| I think if anyone does listen to Jenny McCarthy they have serious issues. |
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Does anyone ever wonder why we're the ones with the disorder. There must be something out of place in Jenny McCarthy's head.
On a semi-related note, it seems that "important" people with the surname "McCarthy" can't be trusted, especially in positions of authority or influence.
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If it's not Jenny - other celebrities seem to be popping up every day with this as their cause to help defeat. I was shocked to see a writer call autism a "disease" in an on-line Patch article talking about a big fundraiser by a group called Celebitries Against Autism based in MI. That's not the kind of autism awareness I'm looking to see - clearly, the writer of this article did not get enlightened, either. Not sure how or whether to respond to the mention "disease" here, but the whole article just made me sigh out loud.
http://northville.patch.com/articles/actor-gary-cole-among-those-honored-at-northville-autism-awareness-gala |
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: Jenny is just too simplistic |
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Hello
I dislike her way of "campaigning".
Her mission should not be against vaccines, it should be against conservation methods of those using heavy metals. But anyway, I have read books from her and her crusade basically lacks of knowledge. She just looks for simple answers why some people are different in a way, that she does not understand anymore. She is just unqualified, no more and does not deserve the attention she gets.
It would better if aspies would do that job. End of story. |
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