ruveyn
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They don't believe in a god, so I guess they are good on that front, but if they are willing to delude a person for life the way buddhism makes monks... then yes, I think they should be outlawed. Buddhism is genocidal on that front. Not sure what Ethical Humanism is, but if it will allow people to live a belief that the teachers or people behind them know aren't true... then I don't like them either. Like I said I don't believe in the abuse of anyone, especially not long term abuse of a person from birth until death, which can happen with religions in general, esp. w/ Christianity. |
Never the less they are religions. Religions do not necessarily require the believe in a god. A religion consists of regular practices and to some extent rituals. What goes on in North Korea, the worship of Kim etc is as much a religion as is Christianity or Islam.
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | I find it fascinating that many Christians are more than willing to spend all day and all night attacking the Theory of Evolution. But, try to engage the same Christian in a discussion where he is asked to defend the most fundamental aspects of his own belief system, and he will call you a "blasphemer", consign you to the section of Hell especially reserved for blasphemers, and walk away.
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We must focus on setting them free, when religion has a stronghold on a person, they don't know what they are arguing. Let us not attack them. Let us instead educate them... though this is an arduous task. |
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Ragtime
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...as fantastic and wild
A mother made by her own child
A hopeless babe who cried
Was God Incarnate and man deified
Because the fall did devastate
Creator must now recreate
So to take our sin
Was made like us so we could be like him
That is the Mystery
More than you can see
Give up on your pondering
And fall down on your knees
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To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
-King Solomon the Wise
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ruveyn
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To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
-King Solomon the Wise[/quote]
Solomon also said to one of his 300 wives -- your turn tonight sweet heart.
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They don't believe in a god, so I guess they are good on that front, but if they are willing to delude a person for life the way buddhism makes monks... then yes, I think they should be outlawed. Buddhism is genocidal on that front. Not sure what Ethical Humanism is, but if it will allow people to live a belief that the teachers or people behind them know aren't true... then I don't like them either. Like I said I don't believe in the abuse of anyone, especially not long term abuse of a person from birth until death, which can happen with religions in general, esp. w/ Christianity. |
Never the less they are religions. Religions do not necessarily require the believe in a god. A religion consists of regular practices and to some extent rituals. What goes on in North Korea, the worship of Kim etc is as much a religion as is Christianity or Islam.
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Do you understand what is going on with the worship of the Kims? Who are the people that worship them and what is their purpose in the DPRK? |
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Lord_Gareth
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: |
To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
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Solomon also said to one of his 300 wives -- your turn tonight sweet heart.
ruveyn[/quote]
I must challenge your theological scholarship here: Solomon had 700 wives. The 300 were his concubines.
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: |
To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
-King Solomon the Wise |
Solomon also said to one of his 300 wives -- your turn tonight sweet heart.
ruveyn[/quote]
Are you saying Soloman's wives were actually men? Ewww! |
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ruveyn
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: |
To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
-King Solomon the Wise |
Solomon also said to one of his 300 wives -- your turn tonight sweet heart.
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I must challenge your theological scholarship here: Solomon had 700 wives. The 300 were his concubines.[/quote]
Quite so. I got the numbers switched about.
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Quote: |
...as fantastic and wild
A mother made by her own child
A hopeless babe who cried
Was God Incarnate and man deified
Because the fall did devastate
Creator must now recreate
So to take our sin
Was made like us so we could be like him
That is the Mystery
More than you can see
Give up on your pondering
And fall down on your knees
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-Michael Card
| Quote: | | At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do." |
-Jesus, the Son of God
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To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
-King Solomon the Wise |
Actually I've been looking for those bible verses... they are just what I need to explain things to people. Can you give the vesicles too? Anyways, does that mean you don't actually believe in a creator, but rather just the system of religion? Sorry, I find that distinction difficult to make. I need clarification. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Lord_Gareth wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: |
To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. |
-King Solomon the Wise |
Solomon also said to one of his 300 wives -- your turn tonight sweet heart.
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I must challenge your theological scholarship here: Solomon had 700 wives. The 300 were his concubines. |
Quite so. I got the numbers switched about.
ruveyn[/quote]
This must be why they needed lesbians in the old testament. Or Solomon could have just been a stud and spent his days getting laid nonstop. That's the kind of life I would expect from 1000 wives and concubines. |
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Ragtime
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Ruveyn, webcam, "Lord"_Gareth, you are living proof that "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom." (Ps 111:10; Prov 9:10)
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They don't believe in a god, so I guess they are good on that front, but if they are willing to delude a person for life the way buddhism makes monks... then yes, I think they should be outlawed. Buddhism is genocidal on that front. Not sure what Ethical Humanism is, but if it will allow people to live a belief that the teachers or people behind them know aren't true... then I don't like them either. Like I said I don't believe in the abuse of anyone, especially not long term abuse of a person from birth until death, which can happen with religions in general, esp. w/ Christianity. |
Never the less they are religions. Religions do not necessarily require the believe in a god. A religion consists of regular practices and to some extent rituals. What goes on in North Korea, the worship of Kim etc is as much a religion as is Christianity or Islam.
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Here's another thought. How can you accept that people are being confused and pushed into lifestyles that involve propagating a religion that has stopped them from propagating as a living being. In effect, those who are suffering ignorantly at the hands of the genocidal are promoting the very system that has committed genocide against them? That's as sick as it gets to me. What do you feel about this kind of thing happening? |
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Lord_Gareth
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Ruveyn, webcam, "Lord"_Gareth, you are living proof that "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom." (Ps 111:10; Prov 9:10) |
Of the many responses I considered to that thinly-veiled insult, I choose this one: [Citation] needed.
Also, there's no need for quotes: I took the name from a fictional character that I happen to like.
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Ruveyn, webcam, "Lord"_Gareth, you are living proof that "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom." (Ps 111:10; Prov 9:10) |
how?
an actual argument this time and not some scriptural ladedah.
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Ragtime
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | Ruveyn, webcam, "Lord"_Gareth, you are living proof that "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom." (Ps 111:10; Prov 9:10) |
Of the many responses I considered to that thinly-veiled insult, I choose this one: [Citation] needed.
Also, there's no need for quotes: I took the name from a fictional character that I happen to like. |
Oh, I don't consider your "Lord" title to be wrong in any moral sense [there are all kinds of legitmate human lords], just inaccurate and self-inflating. There's room for me to be wrong about this, but that's how I saw it.
It does cause me to reflect, though, on who is Lord of Lords.
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