vermontsavant
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its just a word thats all.this is being taken way to seriously.are we now going to get upset if someone in the army calls us civilian.i would not be upset if someone called me a new englander.i have even been to london where someone kindly and jokingly called me a damn yankee.come on guys lets lighgten up
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Gazelle
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:14 am Post subject: Re: The term "Neuro Typical" |
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| CosTransform wrote: | Is the term "Neuro Typical" really proper? it uses the fact that a certain type of behavior is common and thus "typical". But let's say that aspies would populate the world, then it would fall flat. A term that concentrate what something is, rather than how common it is would be more to the point.
Some traits:
* So what is the term for obsessive disorder to comply in decision making with peers as the highest priority. Add to that constant anxiety to fulfill this.
* Being engaged in talk about things that are of really no concern, where the real message is in how the message is presented and to whom is the message.
* Trying to instigate intrigues or drama.
* Status chase. (I bought the car because it's fast OR I bought the car because it's faster than my neighbor)
* Impulses to do things with others, much of the time.
Not all is present all the time. But ought to be a starting point for a better term? |
What about NTs who are introverts?
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NeuroDiversity
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I am glad to find there are others owho think the term NT refers to a nonexistent category of persons.
One alternative that I like is to instead make a distinction between those on the autistic spectrum (Autistics, for short) vs. those who are more "social thinkers" by their nature. The term "social thinkers" refers to people who are generally driven more by emotions and social instincts.
For the term "neurotypical" to have any substance, IMO it would have to be mindful of the myriad characteristics that distinguish one brain from another. Moreover, given the prevalence of "disorders" that are currently recognized--including Mood Disorders, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorders, Attention Disorders, Personality Disorders, Substance Abuse Disorders, Anxiety Disorders, Impulse Disorders, and so on--the so-called "neurotypical" person cannot possibly be free of all neurological challenges. IMO, such a person would have to be categorized neuro-atypical. 
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bridgete2010
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I don't know. I don't really look at "NT"s as anything other than human. Yeah, usually they're mean to me where I live, but some of the people who are mean happen to be the Aspie's I know.
Do I think it's degrading towards "NT"s, or "aspies"? Not in my opinion. I think it's pretty normal. They have less neurological issues, hence the term. Like, they may have no problem with bright light, unlike myself. I do think it's way out-dated, though. I think we could use a term like Non-ASD?
Plus, no one is really neurotypical anyway, so...
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:45 am Post subject: Re: The term "Neuro Typical" |
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| snapcap wrote: | | CosTransform wrote: | Is the term "Neuro Typical" really proper? it uses the fact that a certain type of behavior is common and thus "typical". But let's say that aspies would populate the world, then it would fall flat. A term that concentrate what something is, rather than how common it is would be more to the point.
Some traits:
* So what is the term for obsessive disorder to comply in decision making with peers as the highest priority. Add to that constant anxiety to fulfill this.
* Being engaged in talk about things that are of really no concern, where the real message is in how the message is presented and to whom is the message.
* Trying to instigate intrigues or drama.
* Status chase. (I bought the car because it's fast OR I bought the car because it's faster than my neighbor)
* Impulses to do things with others, much of the time.
Not all is present all the time. But ought to be a starting point for a better term? |
NT is an awful term. Every time I hear it, I think of the person saying it in a mocking looking down tone like normal people are soooo typical, easy to predict, mundane, a thorn in "our" side.
There's not such thing as a NT, whoever came up with the term felt grieved by people they felt typified some psychological profile, that is filled with a bunch of arbitrary characteristics. |
I don't see why...if I use that word I am not looking down on anything, just referring to people that have neurotypical brain functioning, meaning they are individuals without brain wiring that differs from the normal brain, who certainly have difficulties of their own but usually not the same difficulties people with mental disorders like autism or others involving any neurological differences face. It's just people that don't have a brain wiring that varies from the norm. But just like any term it's not perfect....I mean what exactly is a normal brain anyways? But yeah its easier to discuss things when you can use terms to describe them....at the moment neurotypical seems to be the best term for people who function normally.
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| snapcap wrote: | | Instead of calling some one an NT, why aren't people satisfied with calling them " a non-AS" or "someone that doesn't have Asperger's"? Because NT is shorter and more efficient? I can think of a couple racial slurs that are "shorter and more efficient" |
Because not all people who don't have AS or Autism are neurotypical...there are other disorders attributed to major differences in brain functioning as well.
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| AspieOtaku wrote: | | A more friendly term would be NA or not autistic I would suggest. Sometimes Neurotypical might be somewhat offensive to normal non autistic people because if you do look at it. It is like saying you are so typical minded etc. I dont use the term NT too often irl I just call them normal people or normies. That is just me though. |
Because most people are just dying to have something wrong with their mind....honestly I don't see how they would be offended by a word that implies they function normally and don't have a neurological difference that causes them difficulties. And even those here who disagree with it being disabling are probably aware that most people are quite happy with not having something wrong with them.
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ProudCallipygian
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| If I could briefly thrust my (callipygous) ass into this mini debate.....I'd just like to say that-well, firstly, I am neurotypical. Full disclosure. I am certain I say something uncontroversial if I say it is not a derogatory term, it wasn't created for that intention. What people should be wary of is when a negative action or behavior is attributed to a broad group. "Yes, let's post it up to the neurotypical wall" or "this goes up there on the autisic wall" "or the aspergers wall" so to speak. We must be extremely careful when doing that. Having said that, I have yet to see someone who is autistic perpetrate bullying or contribute to it therefore I've already stuck that charming sticky note up on the NT wall. We're guilty of cruel behavior towards atypical people more often. Back to the point, um if someone, like myself, finds it terrible and unbearable to be called out on what I am it is my problem. Let's not be silly here, we don't defend, for example, in America, right wing extremists for being offended by President Obama passing a bill that requires everyone to have a health isurance plan. Unless you're a rightwing extremist that is. They call him a communist stripping away freedoms eager to bring forth a totalitarian state. No, their f***ing problem. We all know why these right wing extremist are really upset. The same goes for neurotypicals, if someone from the NT group, for lack of a better term, finds the name offensive it's likely because they're secretly harboring a deep resentment for all of you, most of you, and, this goes for bullies as well, are self conscious and scared in the face of differences. They're threatened and pitifully intolerant. There. I hope I've made myself plain and I'm interested if anyone disagrees. Thanks. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ProudCallipygian wrote: | | If I could briefly thrust my (callipygous) ass into this mini debate.....I'd just like to say that-well, firstly, I am neurotypical. Full disclosure. I am certain I say something uncontroversial if I say it is not a derogatory term, it wasn't created for that intention. What people should be wary of is when a negative action or behavior is attributed to a broad group. "Yes, let's post it up to the neurotypical wall" or "this goes up there on the autisic wall" "or the aspergers wall" so to speak. We must be extremely careful when doing that. Having said that, I have yet to see someone who is autistic perpetrate bullying or contribute to it therefore I've already stuck that charming sticky note up on the NT wall. We're guilty of cruel behavior towards atypical people more often. Back to the point, um if someone, like myself, finds it terrible and unbearable to be called out on what I am it is my problem. Let's not be silly here, we don't defend, for example, in America, right wing extremists for being offended by President Obama passing a bill that requires everyone to have a health isurance plan. Unless you're a rightwing extremist that is. They call him a communist stripping away freedoms eager to bring forth a totalitarian state. No, their f***ing problem. We all know why these right wing extremist are really upset. The same goes for neurotypicals, if someone from the NT group, for lack of a better term, finds the name offensive it's likely because they're secretly harboring a deep resentment for all of you, most of you, and, this goes for bullies as well, are self conscious and scared in the face of differences. They're threatened and pitifully intolerant. There. I hope I've made myself plain and I'm interested if anyone disagrees. Thanks. |
So I will assume you meant neurotypicals are are guilty of cruel behavior towards atypical people more often, not that you personally are that way.........I guess that's more hoping not assuming, but anyways any ideas as to why? what is it about atypical people that pisses off neurotypicals so much they would want to be cruel to them. I guess that is just one thing I've always wondered, I mean i knew I was different at an early age, people made that damn clear........but I never could understand why that was reason for people to treat me like crap.
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NTAndrew
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I don't have a problem with the term "neurotypical." I included it as part of my screen name because when I got on this site, I did not want to give people the impression that I was anything but an outsider here. Little did I know that the more I learned, the more I related to the people here, and the more Aspie I felt. All of the on-line tests show that I am a neurotypical, but I feel anything but typical, either in the outside world or here.
I think the intent of the OP was to pathologize what is seen as neurotypical behavior, in an attempt to feel superior to neurotypical oppressors. |
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Howdy_Neighbor
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: The term "Neuro Typical" |
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| snapcap wrote: | | CosTransform wrote: | Is the term "Neuro Typical" really proper? it uses the fact that a certain type of behavior is common and thus "typical". But let's say that aspies would populate the world, then it would fall flat. A term that concentrate what something is, rather than how common it is would be more to the point.
Some traits:
* So what is the term for obsessive disorder to comply in decision making with peers as the highest priority. Add to that constant anxiety to fulfill this.
* Being engaged in talk about things that are of really no concern, where the real message is in how the message is presented and to whom is the message.
* Trying to instigate intrigues or drama.
* Status chase. (I bought the car because it's fast OR I bought the car because it's faster than my neighbor)
* Impulses to do things with others, much of the time.
Not all is present all the time. But ought to be a starting point for a better term? |
NT is an awful term. Every time I hear it, I think of the person saying it in a mocking looking down tone like normal people are soooo typical, easy to predict, mundane, a thorn in "our" side.
There's not such thing as a NT, whoever came up with the term felt grieved by people they felt typified some psychological profile, that is filled with a bunch of arbitrary characteristics. |
I agree, while at times I do feel a little frustrated by some people, the fact is, there's loads of issues any person someone might identify as NT may have. Plus the fact exists that different people with AS are individually different people in terms of functionality, interests, co-morbid conditions, and quirks. |
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DogsWithoutHorses
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While I don't like setting up normal/freak dichotomies which words like "normal" do. I can't object all that much to Neurotypical in reference to people without any mental illness or cognitive differences.
I do object to Neurotypical being used to mean non-autistic because there are non-autistic people who are not neurotypical (ex. bipolar)
Non Autistics are Allistic.
Allistic's can be neurotypical or neurodivergent, they just don't have autism.
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Rainy
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| You could just use the word "normal" instead and it would have the same effect most of the time, although the term "neurotypical" includes people with physical abnormalities. |
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Joker
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| I agree with the term NT after all those with out autism often bully those in school that have it I am some what of a aspie supremicist wait I take that back I am one. |
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Rainy
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| I fail to see how the term NT has anything to do with bullies and your persecution delusion. |
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