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thedaywalker
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 Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: it's aparantly possible to cure yourself from schizophrenia. |
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| a few months ago i went to a occupy protest in a nearby city. at the protest there was this guy who was giving information. last thursday i was in that same city again and i started talking with him. he was siting on a bench inside the train station telling me he was thinking about what he was going to do next. we talked for a bit and i asked him if he would like to smoke a joint so we went outside to smoke the joint. we where talking about the city changes going on in the world and shamanism and he told me he used to have quite a severe form of schizophrenia and that he had been in a mental hospital until he was 18. he also said he had traveled to santiago de compastella. how exactly he was cured he didn't elaborate on but it was some sort of mental revolution he had gone trough aparently. we also smoked a sage joint never knew that was an option ^^ and then we went our separate ways. anyway its most likely somehow possible to cure oneself from schirzophrenia. |
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Did he say that before or after he was high?
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Schizophrenia can go into remission even on its own, and certain practices like yoga and meditation can facilitate this. One of my closest friends is schizophrenic but you would never guess because he does yoga every day, practices tai chi, and takes low doses of lsd on a regular basis which allows him to recognize and analyze his own mind and make the appropriate changes. To most people he seems like a slightly odd but highly intelligent and capable independent adult, and no one would guess there's anything wrong with him psychologically.
So you can't cure it, but it can be helped, for sure. |
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| kotshka wrote: | Schizophrenia can go into remission even on its own, and certain practices like yoga and meditation can facilitate this. One of my closest friends is schizophrenic but you would never guess because he does yoga every day, practices tai chi, and takes low doses of lsd on a regular basis which allows him to recognize and analyze his own mind and make the appropriate changes. To most people he seems like a slightly odd but highly intelligent and capable independent adult, and no one would guess there's anything wrong with him psychologically.
So you can't cure it, but it can be helped, for sure. |
I have an aunt like that, except she uses cannabis to help...and doesn't do yoga but certainly does a lot of yard work, has a job and certainly gets plenty of excercise. I would have never even guessed honestly, but one day she told me she smoked weed because it was the only thing that would make the voices shut up...apparently this is why she's been smoking since she was 13.
One time I saw her when she had been out for a couple days, and she was really anxious and was saying how everything was going out of control or something totally unlike how i usually see her so yeah I think it helps her a lot.
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Some people believe that schizophrenia is curable without antipsychotics... however, these people have their own self-interests in mind (to sell books and make money). Or in some cases their own personal biases so they are obviously not to be trusted at face value. I don't trust these people any more than the pharmaceutical companies.
If a person says they are recovered and they are happy with their life, you should respect that, even if you see them as being weird or different. If a person is suffering and in agony, then they might require medication to feel better.
The truth is while some people have an organic psychosis, other people who are labeled schizophrenic are just very sensitive or eccentric or very stressed out for legitimate reasons. The key is whether the person is happy with their life or not. I don't care if a person believes they have are an alien from Mars, if they are causing no harm to themselves or others, then they are mentally healthy in my view. A lot of times "schizophrenics" suffer because they simply are not accepted. Other times, the problem is purely biological and meds are necessary. It depends. |
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| heavenlyabyss wrote: | Some people believe that schizophrenia is curable without antipsychotics... however, these people have their own self-interests in mind (to sell books and make money). Or in some cases their own personal biases so they are obviously not to be trusted at face value. I don't trust these people any more than the pharmaceutical companies.
If a person says they are recovered and they are happy with their life, you should respect that, even if you see them as being weird or different. If a person is suffering and in agony, then they might require medication to feel better.
The truth is while some people have an organic psychosis, other people who are labeled schizophrenic are just very sensitive or eccentric or very stressed out for legitimate reasons. The key is whether the person is happy with their life or not. I don't care if a person believes they have are an alien from Mars, if they are causing no harm to themselves or others, then they are mentally healthy in my view. A lot of times "schizophrenics" suffer because they simply are not accepted. Other times, the problem is purely biological and meds are necessary. It depends. |
And some schizophrenics don't believe they are because their mind is that far gone! They are theoretically still treatable, but usually refuse without a court order.
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| John_Browning wrote: | | heavenlyabyss wrote: | Some people believe that schizophrenia is curable without antipsychotics... however, these people have their own self-interests in mind (to sell books and make money). Or in some cases their own personal biases so they are obviously not to be trusted at face value. I don't trust these people any more than the pharmaceutical companies.
If a person says they are recovered and they are happy with their life, you should respect that, even if you see them as being weird or different. If a person is suffering and in agony, then they might require medication to feel better.
The truth is while some people have an organic psychosis, other people who are labeled schizophrenic are just very sensitive or eccentric or very stressed out for legitimate reasons. The key is whether the person is happy with their life or not. I don't care if a person believes they have are an alien from Mars, if they are causing no harm to themselves or others, then they are mentally healthy in my view. A lot of times "schizophrenics" suffer because they simply are not accepted. Other times, the problem is purely biological and meds are necessary. It depends. |
And some schizophrenics don't believe they are because their mind is that far gone! They are theoretically still treatable, but usually refuse without a court order. |
Yes, that is correct. I do think forced treatment is appropriate in some situations (mainly if the patient is a harm to himself or others). |
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| he didn't seem schyzophrenic he seemed realy nice. |
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| thedaywalker wrote: | | he didn't seem schyzophrenic he seemed realy nice. |
being schizophrenic excludes one from being really nice?
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| John_Browning wrote: | | heavenlyabyss wrote: | Some people believe that schizophrenia is curable without antipsychotics... however, these people have their own self-interests in mind (to sell books and make money). Or in some cases their own personal biases so they are obviously not to be trusted at face value. I don't trust these people any more than the pharmaceutical companies.
If a person says they are recovered and they are happy with their life, you should respect that, even if you see them as being weird or different. If a person is suffering and in agony, then they might require medication to feel better.
The truth is while some people have an organic psychosis, other people who are labeled schizophrenic are just very sensitive or eccentric or very stressed out for legitimate reasons. The key is whether the person is happy with their life or not. I don't care if a person believes they have are an alien from Mars, if they are causing no harm to themselves or others, then they are mentally healthy in my view. A lot of times "schizophrenics" suffer because they simply are not accepted. Other times, the problem is purely biological and meds are necessary. It depends. |
And some schizophrenics don't believe they are because their mind is that far gone! They are theoretically still treatable, but usually refuse without a court order. |
Or maybe those 'treating' them give them reason to not want treatment....hence the refusal, I just imagine that could be the case sometimes.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Or maybe those 'treating' them give them reason to not want treatment....hence the refusal, I just imagine that could be the case sometimes. |
I suppose there are a variety of reasons why people would refuse treatment, but it's really hard to get a court order authorizing meds to be forced on someone unless they are a danger to others (even in the hospital) or gravely disabled/unable to give or refuse consent.
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| I've heard the meds for that can have really awful effects. They make it hard to think, hard to stay awake, hard to feel. (They also tend to make you fat, drool, lactate, and have symptoms of Parkinson's disease.) For some, the choice seems to be either zombification or psychosis. That would probably be devastating to those who were intelligent and had invested their lives into developing that. Maybe the lucky ones are those who are "so for gone that they don't know it." |
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