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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So many problems really shouldn't even have a Federal approach. (sry I know I'm repeating myself)


Shays' Rebellion.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts? You can't really "fix" them without doing some really in-depth cost vs. benefit analysis to ensure that the least amount of "collateral damage" results from whatever changes are made. Unfortunately, "changing the system" in the context of American politics always plays out as the the "minority" party wresting power back from the "majority" party, and the average person doesn't think critically enough to see past this ruse.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sage_gerard wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
So many problems really shouldn't even have a Federal approach. (sry I know I'm repeating myself)


Shays' Rebellion.


Suppressing Shay's rebellion did not need a central government over all the states.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruveyn wrote:
sage_gerard wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
So many problems really shouldn't even have a Federal approach. (sry I know I'm repeating myself)


Shays' Rebellion.


Suppressing Shay's rebellion did not need a central government over all the states.

ruveyn


No, but it demonstrated the need for a federal army to address national security issues. This is a problem that required a federal approach unless states agreed to keep buying protection from the private sector.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sage_gerard wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
sage_gerard wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
So many problems really shouldn't even have a Federal approach. (sry I know I'm repeating myself)


Shays' Rebellion.


Suppressing Shay's rebellion did not need a central government over all the states.

ruveyn


No, but it demonstrated the need for a federal army to address national security issues. This is a problem that required a federal approach unless states agreed to keep buying protection from the private sector.


I want to see that kind of force in legal and accountable hands.

I do not think our private sector can produce a sufficiently strong armed force given the conditions in the world today.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruveyn - I believe Blackrock(or some similar name) showed in Iraq why you are concerned about private armies. Unfortunately they are already here.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldout wrote:
ruveyn - I believe Blackrock(or some similar name) showed in Iraq why you are concerned about private armies. Unfortunately they are already here.


You mean Blackwater, which is now known as Academi.

Interestingly enough, our current administration carries over yet another Dubya tradition and continues to keep them on the government payroll so to speak.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interestingly enough, our current administration carries over yet another Dubya tradition and continues to keep them on the government payroll so to speak.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoMF -- Gracias.
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