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StarTrekker
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For me one of them is definitely when they say things like, "It's rude to interrupt people when they're talking," as if it's one of those ancient carved-in-stone things, and yet, every time they get together in groups of three or more, they're so busy talking over one another that none of them ever finishes a sentence. It makes it really hard to determine when it's okay to interrupt people mid-sentence and when it's not. I personally don't like people doing it to me ever, and I don't like doing it to others, but sometimes it's the only way to get a word in edgewise, but every time I do it, I'm so busy focusing on trying to decide if I screwed up by talking over somebody that I never hear the response to what I just said!
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Lockheart
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| Today I'm confused about a certain kind of humour. I don't get why some people find high levels of humour in the embarrassment of others - and not only the embarrassment of others, in actually embarrassing them. I don't know if this is an NT thing. All I know is that I'm very sensitive to it and would never take pleasure in someone else's embarrassment because I've been the butt of that kind of "joke" myself way too often. |
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FalsettoTesla
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I'm not sure if this is an NT thing, but phrases like 'I haven't heard silence in a long time' and 'do the impossible' frustrating, because you can't do the impossible, and you can't hear silence. Silence is the absence of noise - and even if it were a sound, true silence cannot be heard by humans because just existing makes some noise. You can't do the impossible because it's impossible!
im·pos·si·ble/imˈpäsəbəl/
Adjective:
Not able to occur, exist, or be done: "an impossible task"; "impossible to keep up".
Yet when I say this to the people using those phrases I'm 'baiting them to start bickering', or 'being difficult', or I have a 'different opinion'.
It is not an opinion. It is fact. The improbable can be done, the impossible cannot.
Yeah, and nearly all idioms. They make me stressed. |
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Joe90
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The way they get eachother's jokes but never get mine, even though I get their jokes
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houla
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When they greet people they run straight at them and often grab them or touch them in some intrusive way.
The constant need for other people to support them either with failures or accomplishments (it's exhausting)
The magic back and forth of conversations about nothing
The need for eye contact
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cubedemon6073
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| FalsettoTesla wrote: | I'm not sure if this is an NT thing, but phrases like 'I haven't heard silence in a long time' and 'do the impossible' frustrating, because you can't do the impossible, and you can't hear silence. Silence is the absence of noise - and even if it were a sound, true silence cannot be heard by humans because just existing makes some noise. You can't do the impossible because it's impossible!
im·pos·si·ble/imˈpäsəbəl/
Adjective:
Not able to occur, exist, or be done: "an impossible task"; "impossible to keep up".
Yet when I say this to the people using those phrases I'm 'baiting them to start bickering', or 'being difficult', or I have a 'different opinion'.
It is not an opinion. It is fact. The improbable can be done, the impossible cannot.
Yeah, and nearly all idioms. They make me stressed. |
This is a form of a logical paradox.
Why can't silence be a form of a sound? It is still on the decible scale is it not? I do not agree when you say "true silence cannot be heard by humans because just existing makes some noise" because there are those who only hear compete silence and these people are considered completely deaf.
I have a question myself. When the mathematicans say x/0 is undefined then by stating it is undefined then my question for them is by stating it is undefined are you not defining it? When someone says there is no answer is that not an answer in itself? I see these paradoxes in NT speech all of the time.
I'm about to resolve this type of paradox with what they are missing in their facts and refute what I say. They are missing the law of identity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity
http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html
The thing is everything that exists has specific attributes and characteristics that make it up whether the thing is concrete or abstract. The concept of sound has specific properties, characteristics and attributes that make it up.
Let's look at the definition of sound.
One characteristic of sound is that mechanical vibrations are produced through an elastic medium.
Another is there has to be cause.
a stimulation in the ear has to occur for one to hear this sound
With silence, none of these things truly happen. Silence does not cause vibrations in the ear. There is no cause for silence. Silence is the default. Mechanical vibrations are not produced through the air by silence.
It is the same with the term "defined." It has a specific set of properties that makes something defined. You are right this is a fact. The problem is they have erronous philosophy based upon not knowing the law of identity.
My advice to you is when NTs do that and are inaccurate just let them do it and grin and bare it unless it is a safety issue that crops up. |
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| houla wrote: | When they greet people they run straight at them and often grab them or touch them in some intrusive way.
The constant need for other people to support them either with failures or accomplishments (it's exhausting)
The magic back and forth of conversations about nothing
The need for eye contact |
I want other people to support me with failures or accomplishments. Here is why. If I am wrong on something I want to know why I am wrong and correct my thinking. Let's say I am a mechanic. Let's say I'm changing the oil in the wrong way. I want to know what the right way is. Wouldn't you? |
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Fun.
I have fun, but NT's concept of fun seems different to mine...not that they find different things fun, just the way they go about having fun is...alien. It's hard to explain what I mean, but see it in my friends when they can just randomly 'hang out' with others and have fun doing nothing, when they seem to find playing charades on a relaxed day at work or dressing-up in costumes at work 'fun', or in photo's of groups of friends all squishing their faces together and grinning like Cheshire cats or pulling faces...it's some sort of NT trait to make themselves appear that they're having fun in photo's as proof that they are capable of having fun.
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houla
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Hi cubedemon6073,
I agree that I appreciate input to correct something that I am either thinking about incorrectly or performing incorrectly.
I think that I should have specified what I mean by "support". In using the word "support" I am referring to a need for constant reassurance that the NT is either a good or special person, and/or that they excel at what they are trying to accomplish, and/or that any mishaps in their pursuits have extenuating circumstances that they are not responsible for. This need is a mystery to me, because for me it feels very invasive when NTs offer me this kind of support. I am very uncomfortable having a direct discussion of myself or my pursuits in these ways, although I do recognize that the person offering this "support" is trying to be nice. I hope I have expressed myself clearly and this makes sense.
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I do not understand why people would like to complain or whine and not want to hear a solution to their problem. I get they just want emotional support and wanting people to agree with them but why? Wait, maybe I am a hypocrite for this because sometimes I am the same way but I say nothing about it because I know I wouldn't be able to handle the truth due to the state I am in so I keep it to myself. But why can't they do the same?
Why people must comment on things like new hair cut or new furniture in the room. I assume it's for small talk but if you say nothing about it, they assume you didn't take notice.
I don't get why people get offended if you don't remember them or recognize them.
Why people let their emotions get in the way most of the time.
Why people ask a question and then only want a certain answer and then they think of you as mean or a bully when you tell them something they didn't want to hear.
Why is asking a question arguing and why is disagreeing so bad? I can see how correcting someone be seen as an argument because you are basically disagreeing with them. It's like I have to be a sheep and I am not allowed to speak my mind or say anything or else I am "arguing." I always have t restrain myself from saying a word. Even my own mother told me the last time she saw me was that I keep arguing. I told her I don't mean to do it and she said "that's okay, I know you feel you have the right to disagree." So I am not allowed to disagree?
Why we are expected to know everything like about every single person out there or about every single history. Like I didn't know who Dick Clark was. Someone at work was socked I didn't know about him and if she were rude about it, I would have told her "Sorry, I didn't know I was supposed to know about every single person in the world. When I go home, I will read about every single person in history and every single celebrity and other famous person so I won't be ignorant again."
I also wonder why are people so surprised with my attitude when they started it first so they are surprised they got it back in return. Like the time at babycenter, someone put words in my mouth and I didn't like it so i told her "Excuse me but I never said she could not say she has three kids so don't put words in my mouth" and she responded with "snarky are you lose the attitude." Maybe I was snarky but why was she so surprised? It's like they can dish it out but can't dish it in.
Why people need people to socialize with them and can't be with them and not saying a word.
Why people can't go alone to places and they prefer a person to be with them. |
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| They find...............Anthony.......Jeselnik.............................. funny. |
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They're almost telepathic in their ability to work together. It's like they can join together into a large organism. That overwhelms and scares me a little. They can do such wonderful or terrible things when they do that.
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Houla wrote:
When they greet people they run straight at them and often grab them or touch them in some intrusive way.
The constant need for other people to support them either with failures or accomplishments (it's exhausting)
The magic back and forth of conversations about nothing
The need for eye contact
That pretty much sums it up with me, too. |
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| A lot of things, but it'll take me time to think of how to word them. One thing that bugs me is saying or doing things for the sake of it, like 'how are you?' without being interested in the answer. Seeing learning and investigating as either negative or tiring. THINGS THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY FUNNY being funny, I can tell people laugh at some things to get a seal of approval, it's not that I don't get jokes, but sometimes I get it and think it's sad and you shouldn't be laughing. |
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