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Asperger's Severity: Part 3: IQ

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IQ and Severity of Symptoms

>130 (Very Superior), with mild AS

21%

[ 29 ]

>130 (Very Superior), with moderate AS

27%

[ 37 ]

>130 (Very Superior), with severe AS

[ 8 ]

120-129 (Superior), with mild AS

11%

[ 15 ]

120-129 (Superior), with moderate AS

[ 7 ]

120-129 (Superior), with severe AS

[ 1 ]

110-119 (High Average), with mild AS

11%

[ 16 ]

110-119 (High Average), with moderate AS

[ 10 ]

110-119 (High Average), with severe AS

[ 1 ]

90-109 (Average), with mild AS

[ 3 ]

90-109 (Average), with moderate AS

[ 4 ]

90-109 (Average), with severe AS

[ 1 ]

80-89 (Low Average), with mild AS

[ 1 ]

80-89 (Low Average), with moderate AS

[ 0 ]

80-89 (Low Average), with severe AS

[ 1 ]

70-79 (Borderline), with mild AS

[ 0 ]

70-79 (Borderline), with moderate AS

[ 1 ]

70-79 (Borderline), with severe AS

[ 1 ]

Total Votes : 136

OuterBoroughGirl
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject:

metaldanielle wrote:

Wandering_Stranger wrote:

According to the test I did a few years ago, my IQ is impossible to work out.

Me too. There was a 27 point discrepancy between the two halves of the test. They didn't even bother totaling it.

I had a similar experience back in fifth grade, but my discrepancy was almost double that. I scored 127 VIQ, and 75 PIQ. They didn't bother averaging the scores to calculate my FSIQ, because the resulting number would have been meaningless under the circumstances. The psychologist who evaluated me told my mother that he'd never seen anything like that, and didn't know what to make of it. Apparently, I'm very unusual. Confused

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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject:

bizboy1 wrote:

First of all, for those saying it's not a good pool, that is correct. It's pretty much pointless or does more damage than good. But one can argue that it provides some benefit. At least we can feel like geniuses even though 99% of us are not.

Well, obviously this poll is informal and not for any specific study, but I certainly didn't expect so many people to use online IQ tests to respond to the poll. I assumed most knew that they were not valid measures of IQ. Personally, I've scored anywhere from 115 to 140 on online tests, but my officially tested IQ is 120.

I don't really think there is any reason to call it 'pointless', seeing as if people answered honestly (which, forgive me for being naive, but I didn't think people would lie on an anonymous poll) and used official scores, it could have shown some interesting correlations.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject:

MusicMama wrote:

My IQ is around 135, but my NT husband's is about 10-15 points higher than mine and he's very socially adept. I chose moderate AS because, although I'm married, I've never actually lived alone and I definitely get weekly, if not daily, help from my husband with things like paying bills and calling people. I've also never held a paying job for more than a year and barely got through 2 years of college living in dorms.

I managed to graduate from University which was, with very brief interludes, a living hell!
- I wish I could have studied independently/online and just showed up for exams

I have always worked since graduation, but prior to working independently/setting up my own business around 17 years ago, I was changing jobs on average every 6 months, sometime more frequently!

My wife is my 'social' seeing-eye dog and while I am showing some improvement in 'putting myself in other people's shoes', especially with my family, she still needs to constantly remind me of many of the 'basics' which is why I consider that I have 'moderate' Autism; there is absolutely NOTHING remotely mild about my Autism as I experience it, although it may not always appear that way to the untrained eye.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:28 am Post subject:

It could be that WrongPlanet members have a higher average IQ, rather than high IQ people preferentially responding or people overestimating IQ. Think about it - in order to participate in this forum, you pretty much have to be able to read and write at least at an average level. If you had an IQ of 75 or so and PIQ>VIQ you may not be literate enough for a text-based interaction system. Furthermore, high IQ individuals tend to be more introspective and more curious, so a high IQ AS person is more likely to seek out information about AS, either for curiosity or self-understanding. Plus, if your IQ is above 130, that's an added abnormality, making you feel even more different than you would with just AS and an average IQ, and therefore more likely to seek out your peers. And if you have a high IQ, people may have higher expectations of you, and you may have higher expectations of yourself, which makes the impairment of AS more frustrating, thereby increasing the need for a support group.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:45 am Post subject:

I tested with a "genius" IQ, and while that does seem to help with a lot of things, it doesn't seem to have a significant impact on my overall impairments. I find it frustrating to talk about IQ here or other similar forums because of the long list of assumptions people have about IQ that might be true for them (or not) but are not true for everyone. Research tends to find that IQ doesn't really play a role in mitigating neurological impairments, and I've seen papers on both ADHD and autism that reinforce this.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:59 am Post subject:

FSIQ is known to be often inaccurate when measuring intellectual functioning of people on the spectrum due to the unusually wide subscore scatter. My VCI was 12-22 points higher than the other 3 subscores, for example. I answered, though.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:21 am Post subject:

My WAIS IV test was more or less uninterpretable. My subtest scores were everywhere and so were my index scores. I hit the ceiling on WMI and and it was something like 55 points higher than my VCI score.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:36 am Post subject:

Ettina wrote:

It could be that WrongPlanet members have a higher average IQ, rather than high IQ people preferentially responding or people overestimating IQ.

Think about it - in order to participate in this forum, you pretty much have to be able to read and write at least at an average level. If you had an IQ of 75 or so and PIQ>VIQ you may not be literate enough for a text-based interaction system. Furthermore, high IQ individuals tend to be more introspective and more curious, so a high IQ AS person is more likely to seek out information about AS, either for curiosity or self-understanding. Plus, if your IQ is above 130, that's an added abnormality, making you feel even more different than you would with just AS and an average IQ, and therefore more likely to seek out your peers. And if you have a high IQ, people may have higher expectations of you, and you may have higher expectations of yourself, which makes the impairment of AS more frustrating, thereby increasing the need for a support group.

very insightful, especially the part I bolded, rings very true.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:05 am Post subject:

I didn't vote because I'm not diagnosed. At least one time in school when they gave me an iq test I was told I was 130 or 131. I can't remember which. I don't know whether to pick mild, moderate, or severe. I don't know if I could live on my own. I never really have. I can't get or keep a job.

Rakshasa72
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject:

I once tested at 134 but:

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject:

i chose "moderate AS" because...well. i always assumed that my AS was rather mild...until I started seeing a psychologist. A good one. I was "testing the waters" so to speak and never mentioned the AS, just to see if she could see it. She did. during out third interaction she said "it is interesting...you are very good at appearing more mildly affected than you actually are. that must take a lot of energy.". i, assuming that we were still on the subject of my anxiety which is why i was there, say "mmm...not really. people are constantly asking me why i am so nervous. it's pretty obvious i think.". and she says "not that. yes, that is VERY apparent. i'm talking about the asperger's. you're very good at hiding it. it comes off as a lot less severe than i suspect it actually is. i have to REALLY watch you to see it. listen very carefully.". So...i look mild but am probably moderate (she never said whether it was moderate or severe. i dont THINK it is severe.). _________________ I think I know. I don't think I know. I don't think I think I know. I don't think I think.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject:

Over 130 on the raven's in high school and on the high iq society's online test. Never had an officially under stringent psychological conditions one tho. Still those two came out at exactly the same number. _________________ -M&S “Two men looked through prison bars; one saw mud and the other stars.” Frederick Langbridge

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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:28 am Post subject:

OuterBoroughGirl wrote:

metaldanielle wrote:

Wandering_Stranger wrote:

According to the test I did a few years ago, my IQ is impossible to work out.

Me too. There was a 27 point discrepancy between the two halves of the test. They didn't even bother totaling it.

I have heard that discrepancies are normal for people w/ AS and that it can even be an indicator. And they didn't total mine for the exact same reason, it was meaningless.