| Who do you think will win the presidential election in the USA? |
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| Mitt Romney |
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Dox47
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| marshall wrote: | | I don't count Obama as part of the "left". |
Ahh, smart man. 
Who would you consider to be the leaders on the left though? I certainly wouldn't consider most of the Democratic party to be left anymore, so who would really be in charge of the left in the US?
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Dox47
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | I don't see anything going wrong for Obama but Mitt Romeny will have to really come up with a better platform then Obama which will be hard to do. |
In many ways, this is a rehash of the 2004 election, right down to the wealthy flip-flopping New England moderate that no one actually likes. "Not Bush" didn't work as a platform for Kerry, we'll have to see how far Romney gets on "Not Obama".
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CoMF
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | I certainly wouldn't consider most of the Democratic party to be left anymore, so who would really be in charge of the left in the US? |
Ummm... Al Franken? Dennis Kuchinich? Bernie Sanders? 
| Dox47 wrote: | | In many ways, this is a rehash of the 2004 election, right down to the wealthy flip-flopping New England moderate that no one actually likes. "Not Bush" didn't work as a platform for Kerry, we'll have to see how far Romney gets on "Not Obama". |
If dyed-in-the-wool Romney supporters weren't so blinded by their desperation to oust Obama, perhaps they'd be more receptive to logic. |
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Dox47
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| CoMF wrote: | | If dyed-in-the-wool Romney supporters weren't so blinded by their desperation to oust Obama, perhaps they'd be more receptive to logic. |
Is there such a thing? I thought he was just the not-Obama deemed least worst, not someone with actual supporters.
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | CoMF wrote: | | If dyed-in-the-wool Romney supporters weren't so blinded by their desperation to oust Obama, perhaps they'd be more receptive to logic. |
Is there such a thing? I thought he was just the not-Obama deemed least worst, not someone with actual supporters. |
To be sure, Romney hasn't been able to inspire any sort of "cult of personality" as of yet.
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CoMF
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Is there such a thing? I thought he was just the not-Obama deemed least worst, not someone with actual supporters. |
On second thought, maybe I used a poor choice of words. |
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Dox47
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | To be sure, Romney hasn't been able to inspire any sort of "cult of personality" as of yet.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
I think you need a personality in order to build a cult around it, and Mitt was tragically born without one.
Now the president on the other hand oozes personality, I just couldn't for the life of me tell you what it is. He seems cool and wears a tuxedo well, but then he kills people without trial, which is frankly a bit of a buzzkill for me.
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ArrantPariah
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | marshall wrote: | | I don't count Obama as part of the "left". |
Ahh, smart man.
Who would you consider to be the leaders on the left though? I certainly wouldn't consider most of the Democratic party to be left anymore, so who would really be in charge of the left in the US? |
Stewart Alexander and Alex Mendoza
http://www.stewartalexandercares.com/StewartAlexanderFlyer.pdf
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ArrantPariah
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Larry Flynt has flip-flopped, and now endorses Obama
http://news.yahoo.com/hustler-publisher-larry-flynt-flips-earlier-criticisms-plans-033207189.html
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Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt, who once ran for governor of California with the slogan “the smut peddler who cares,” told The Daily Caller that he will vote to re-elect President Barack Obama in November.
Flynt has been a longtime Obama skeptic. In December 2010 he penned an open letter to the president in The Daily Beast titled “President Obama: You Are Toast.”
“I was delighted when you were elected,” he wrote then. “Now, like many other Americans, all I see is an ineffectual wimp. If you want a second term in office, you must win back the respect of the American people. From my vantage point it’s hard to see how you can do that.”
In a subsequent April 2011 letter to Obama, he wrote, “As it stands, you can no longer count on any of the groups that supported your Presidential bid last time around.”
But despite his disappointment with Obama on civil liberties issues, on ending foreign wars, on health care reform and on extending the Bush-era tax cuts, Larry Flynt is prepared to change his mind.
“I think Romney will win,” Flynt told TheDC, before hastily correcting himself. “Wait — I mean I think Obama will win, and I’m going to vote for him.”
Asked if he was dissatisfied with Obama’s performance as president, Flynt said Obama “has fallen far short in many ways,” mentioning the extension of the Patriot Act and “the way he’s dealt with Congress.”
But Flynt said it’s important “to consider the lesser of two evils.”
“I don’t think anyone would prefer Romney,” he explained.
Referring to Romney’s 2007 advocacy for porn-blocking software on all new computers, Flynt said the presumptive GOP nominee is “a typical politician: can’t keep the streets clean, but wants to keep our minds clear.”
Flynt added that Romney’s forthcoming commencement address at Liberty University — a school founded by Rev. Jerry Falwell, against whom Flynt won a landmark Supreme Court case on free speech — showed that the former Massachusetts governor “will pander to anyone.”
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ArrantPariah
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Well, we do have some of the standard Republican tactics for getting out the vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/opinion/bigotry-on-the-ballot.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120430
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North Carolina already has a law barring same-sex marriage, but the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature is not satisfied. It devised a measure to enshrine this obvious discrimination in the State Constitution and placed it on the ballot of the state’s May 8 primary election — a test of tolerance versus bigotry that ought to be watched closely nationwide.
In their zeal, lawmakers got careless with the wording of the measure, known as Amendment One. It would constitutionally prohibit recognition not just of same-sex marriages, but of other legal arrangements like civil unions and domestic partnerships. That could harm all unmarried couples, imperiling some children’s health insurance benefits, along with child custody arrangements and safeguards against domestic violence.
The campaign against the amendment is being spearheaded by a coalition of civic, religious, business and civil rights leaders and groups. One of Amendment One’s most vocal opponents is the Rev. William Barber II, president of the state chapter of the N.A.A.C.P. Mr. Barber draws a strong link between the proposed amendment and struggles against racial unfairness, an appeal with special resonance following the publication in March of memos from the National Organization for Marriage, one the most prominent groups fighting same-sex marriage, about driving “a wedge between gays and blacks.”
Polls suggest that defeating this measure remains an uphill struggle, but at least its approval is no longer an entirely foregone conclusion. Much will depend on turnout, especially by voters on college campuses, who will need to vote in larger-than-usual numbers to defeat this declaration of officially sanctioned discrimination.
The North Carolina vote is one of several statewide ballot fights over same-sex marriage the nation will see this year. But public opinion continues to move steadily toward marriage equality. In 2001, Americans opposed same-sex marriage by a margin of 57 percent to 35 percent. Today, 47 percent are in favor and 43 percent opposed, according to a new Pew Research poll.
Opponents of marriage equality have never been able to show any evidence that any harm is caused to heterosexual marriages by granting all American adults the right to marry as they choose — because there is no such evidence. With little more than a week to go before the May 8 contest, and early voting already under way, North Carolinians need to consider whether they really want to inflict this gratuitous bigotry on their fellow citizens and their children.
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In other words: "Go and vote for our anti-Gay legislation. And, while you're there, please vote for Mitt Romney for president, too." |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | To be sure, Romney hasn't been able to inspire any sort of "cult of personality" as of yet.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
I think you need a personality in order to build a cult around it, and Mitt was tragically born without one.
Now the president on the other hand oozes personality, I just couldn't for the life of me tell you what it is. He seems cool and wears a tuxedo well, but then he kills people without trial, which is frankly a bit of a buzzkill for me. |
In the case of those assassinations without trial; it might have been questionable, but considering who the targets were (Bin Laden, in particular), I'm not going to share a lot of tears.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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Dox47
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | In the case of those assassinations without trial; it might have been questionable, but considering who the targets were (Bin Laden, in particular), I'm not going to share a lot of tears.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
How about the American citizens who were killed, who's guilt or innocence we can't judge because the Obama administration won't release the files, their rationale for assassinating them, or even what checks and balances are used to determine targets. You're going to brush all that off as "questionable"?
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Dox47
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | In other words: "Go and vote for our anti-Gay legislation. And, while you're there, please vote for Mitt Romney for president, too." |
Karl Rove rides again!
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | In the case of those assassinations without trial; it might have been questionable, but considering who the targets were (Bin Laden, in particular), I'm not going to share a lot of tears.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
How about the American citizens who were killed, who's guilt or innocence we can't judge because the Obama administration won't release the files, their rationale for assassinating them, or even what checks and balances are used to determine targets. You're going to brush all that off as "questionable"? |
True enough. But I'll still support him.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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CoMF
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | True enough. But I'll still support him. |
Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals.  |
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