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| What do you think about the decision to exclude people with Asperger's from the US military? |
| I think it is a good decision. |
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| Overall, I think it's good, but there should be an examination or something similar to that effect. |
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| Overall, I think it's a bad decision. People should only be excluded for physical disabilities or severe mental disabilities. |
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| This is a terrible decision. This is discrimination! |
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Joker
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | I don't see why aspies can't be in the military we have one quaility a good soilder needs that is loyalty sure we have a flaws but we can make up for them where it counts the most. |
Well I don't know that we are all loyal to just anyone, I am that way towards people close to me who I know I can trust.....but it would be quite dangerous to just be loyal to anyone in general. |
I would give my loyalty to my country if given the opportunity to serve in the military I am only speaking for myself though cause not all aspies are the same. |
Well quite frankly I don't agree with the government and who uses the military, the government...I cannot give my loyalty to this government. Its got nothing to do with this country, and I have no issue with this country its not the fault of the land, trees or mountains that things are going downhill. |
I view it as serving the country not the government the government doesn't give a damn about any of us. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: No Aspies in the military? |
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| ryanms92 wrote: | I can't believe I didn't see this until now. I'm not sure if this has been discussed on the forums before. I didn't see anything.
Anyways, on April 28 of this year (2010) the US military announced that people with Asperger's were no longer qualified to serve.
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this to be honest. On the one hand, it is the responsibility of the military to pick the most able-bodied men possible. And let's face it, people with Asperger's will face problems doing something like this. On the other hand, I don't feel that the United States should just exclude all the people with Asperger's without an examination. For example, my case is fairly mild, and if I wasn't diagnosed, the military probably wouldn't notice or care.
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Man.... Thank goodness there are no aspies in the military. I, at least couldn't survive a day. I'd be taken advantage by a pack of high ranking NT officers you know... From what I've heard from most of my friends who are/were in the army the commanding officers tend to be really presumptuous.. Aspies just won't know what hit them. Army ain't democracy, sorry. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | I don't see why aspies can't be in the military we have one quaility a good soilder needs that is loyalty sure we have a flaws but we can make up for them where it counts the most. |
Well I don't know that we are all loyal to just anyone, I am that way towards people close to me who I know I can trust.....but it would be quite dangerous to just be loyal to anyone in general. |
I would give my loyalty to my country if given the opportunity to serve in the military I am only speaking for myself though cause not all aspies are the same. |
Well quite frankly I don't agree with the government and who uses the military, the government...I cannot give my loyalty to this government. Its got nothing to do with this country, and I have no issue with this country its not the fault of the land, trees or mountains that things are going downhill. |
I view it as serving the country not the government the government doesn't give a damn about any of us. |
How does one signing their life over to this government serve the country if the government does not give a damn about any of us? It just does not make sense to me, I guess.
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Joker
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | I don't see why aspies can't be in the military we have one quaility a good soilder needs that is loyalty sure we have a flaws but we can make up for them where it counts the most. |
Well I don't know that we are all loyal to just anyone, I am that way towards people close to me who I know I can trust.....but it would be quite dangerous to just be loyal to anyone in general. |
I would give my loyalty to my country if given the opportunity to serve in the military I am only speaking for myself though cause not all aspies are the same. |
Well quite frankly I don't agree with the government and who uses the military, the government...I cannot give my loyalty to this government. Its got nothing to do with this country, and I have no issue with this country its not the fault of the land, trees or mountains that things are going downhill. |
I view it as serving the country not the government the government doesn't give a damn about any of us. |
How does one signing their life over to this government serve the country if the government does not give a damn about any of us? It just does not make sense to me, I guess. |
Because the president is the commander and chief he is the one that controles the military it doesn't make sense to me either but that's how things are in America. |
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SpiritBlooms
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| Pistonhead wrote: | | Bad decision but on the bright side no more dead aspie soldiers. |
This is how I see it. Frankly, I'm not happy overall with how our military is used. They're put in harms way more than they should be, too often to serve some political power play or commercial interest rather than to defend the constitution or what's right. So if it means a safer world for Aspies - my only wish is it was a safer world for everyone. |
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UnLoser
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Is this for real? This is insanity, ignorance, and discrimination! Now, I don't have any plans to join the military, and I'm diagnosed with PDD-NOS, but I could just as well as have been diagnosed with Asperger's.
My autism would have ZERO effect on my functioning in a military situation, except for friend-making.
Is there anyone I can write a letter to to complain about, or something? I know it'll have no effect; I want to write one anyways. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | I don't see why aspies can't be in the military we have one quaility a good soilder needs that is loyalty sure we have a flaws but we can make up for them where it counts the most. |
Well I don't know that we are all loyal to just anyone, I am that way towards people close to me who I know I can trust.....but it would be quite dangerous to just be loyal to anyone in general. |
I would give my loyalty to my country if given the opportunity to serve in the military I am only speaking for myself though cause not all aspies are the same. |
Well quite frankly I don't agree with the government and who uses the military, the government...I cannot give my loyalty to this government. Its got nothing to do with this country, and I have no issue with this country its not the fault of the land, trees or mountains that things are going downhill. |
I view it as serving the country not the government the government doesn't give a damn about any of us. |
How does one signing their life over to this government serve the country if the government does not give a damn about any of us? It just does not make sense to me, I guess. |
Because the president is the commander and chief he is the one that controles the military it doesn't make sense to me either but that's how things are in America. |
So just go along with it and don't ask questions? I guess I just can't do that so no military for me.
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Joker
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | I don't see why aspies can't be in the military we have one quaility a good soilder needs that is loyalty sure we have a flaws but we can make up for them where it counts the most. |
Well I don't know that we are all loyal to just anyone, I am that way towards people close to me who I know I can trust.....but it would be quite dangerous to just be loyal to anyone in general. |
I would give my loyalty to my country if given the opportunity to serve in the military I am only speaking for myself though cause not all aspies are the same. |
Well quite frankly I don't agree with the government and who uses the military, the government...I cannot give my loyalty to this government. Its got nothing to do with this country, and I have no issue with this country its not the fault of the land, trees or mountains that things are going downhill. |
I view it as serving the country not the government the government doesn't give a damn about any of us. |
How does one signing their life over to this government serve the country if the government does not give a damn about any of us? It just does not make sense to me, I guess. |
Because the president is the commander and chief he is the one that controles the military it doesn't make sense to me either but that's how things are in America. |
So just go along with it and don't ask questions? I guess I just can't do that so no military for me. |
I am a good follower so military service would suit me well. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Joker wrote: |
I am a good follower so military service would suit me well. |
yeah I imagine that would help.
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As a child I use to pretend to be a solider ha chasing my mom around the house with toy guns  |
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As a veteran... I actually see the logic behind it. Most of us have special needs. Those needs do not fit within the regimented structure of the military machine. Deviation from that removes the "We are all the same" mentality that is needed to have a successful combat unit.
Our special needs would be viewed by the other soldiers as "special treatment" and that leads to problems.
The stricture against aspies is not just against aspies, but against all Pervasive Developmental Disorders and anyone with any condition that leads to instability and unpredictability.
I believe that it is the right choice.
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| Joker wrote: | | As a child I use to pretend to be a solider ha chasing my mom around the house with toy guns |
Belive it or not but I used to want to be in the military, and was much more supportive of the government. My illusions were shattered though, but to each their own.
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| My personal belief is that the world could have been living in peace for thousands of years. But that offends the soldiers because if peace were the norm then that would make soldiers the moral equivalent of murderers. |
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| androbot2084 wrote: | | My personal belief is that the world could have been living in peace for thousands of years. But that offends the soldiers because if peace were the norm then that would make soldiers the moral equivalent of murderers. |
Here we come back to the conversation about our nature... Humans are primates, and primates are violent. We are not far enough removed from out simian roots to be peaceful as a race.
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| it may not be so much violence but rather pride. for example the Vietnam war could have been ended sooner but that would have required our surrender and military pride does not accept surrender. |
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