| Who do you think will win the presidential election in the USA? |
| President Obama |
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84% |
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| Mitt Romney |
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15% |
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simon_says
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If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.
Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare. |
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CoMF
Deinonychus
Joined: Feb 08, 2012
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| simon_says wrote: | If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.
Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare. |
Just one question. Who created the "terrorists"?
It's easy to wax self-righteous until you look back at history and realize that our foreign policy may have something to do with it.
When I read posts like this, it's no wonder why I feel like Bush is still president. |
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YippySkippy
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Joined: Feb 27, 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Disillusioned, I won't be voting for either of them.
I suppose I'd rather see Obama win than Romney, but not enough to go to the polls.
Is it too late to vote for Hillary?  |
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Kraichgauer
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Joined: Apr 13, 2010
Age: 47
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| CoMF wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | True enough. But I'll still support him. |
Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals.  |
Actually, I will be voting again for Obama for the three reasons stated by Biden:
Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and the president has a big stick (  ).
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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ruveyn
Phoenix
Joined: Sep 22, 2008
Age: 76
Posts: 29284
Location: New Jersey
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | CoMF wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | True enough. But I'll still support him. |
Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals. |
Actually, I will be voting again for Obama for the three reasons stated by Biden:
Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and the president has a big stick ( ).
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
And the Fuhrer had the Wermacht and the Luftwaffe. Big stick not funny, particularly if it is wielded against your liberties and mine.
ruveyn |
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simon_says
Phoenix
Joined: Jan 21, 2011
Posts: 2443
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Hitler time.
Everyone drink! |
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Dox47
Consigliere
Joined: Jan 29, 2008
Posts: 5177
Location: Seattle Area
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| simon_says wrote: | If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.
Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare. |
So speaking out against America is now punishable by no-trial assassination? Don't try and pretend what we're doing is no different than killing turncoats in uniform in open battle, that's intellectually dishonest and I think (hope) you know it.
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TM
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Joined: Feb 04, 2012
Posts: 2122
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | simon_says wrote: | If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.
Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare. |
So speaking out against America is now punishable by no-trial assassination? Don't try and pretend what we're doing is no different than killing turncoats in uniform in open battle, that's intellectually dishonest and I think (hope) you know it. |
I'd say it depends on "how" treasonous the acts were, if some guy orchestrates bombings of American civilians and there is evidence for it, I have little issue with sending Seal Team 6 after the guy. |
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simon_says
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Joined: Jan 21, 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | simon_says wrote: | If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.
Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare. |
So speaking out against America is now punishable by no-trial assassination? Don't try and pretend what we're doing is no different than killing turncoats in uniform in open battle, that's intellectually dishonest and I think (hope) you know it. |
2001 AUMF, passed by Congress, gave the President the authority to go after any group he determined to be responsible for 9/11 as he saw fit, or those that shelter them. If you don't like it get it repealed. But it is US legal cover to pursue AQ. Affiliating with AQ and hanging out with them in Yemen is a bad idea right now. |
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Kraichgauer
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Joined: Apr 13, 2010
Age: 47
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | CoMF wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | True enough. But I'll still support him. |
Because, you know, continuing to show blatant disregard for our Bill of Rights in the fine tradition of Dubya is perfectly acceptable when our president is a Democrat who pays lip service to sacrosanct liberal political ideals. |
Actually, I will be voting again for Obama for the three reasons stated by Biden:
Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and the president has a big stick ( ).
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
And the Fuhrer had the Wermacht and the Luftwaffe. Big stick not funny, particularly if it is wielded against your liberties and mine.
ruveyn |
So much humor gets by us Aspies. That's why I had put a behind "Big stick."
Actually, when I was referring to the President's big stick, as stated by the VP, I meant it in the salacious manner that Biden's audience had taken it to mean.
So, yeah, big stick...
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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CoMF
Deinonychus
Joined: Feb 08, 2012
Posts: 328
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| simon_says wrote: | | 2001 AUMF, passed by Congress, gave the President the authority to go after any group he determined to be responsible for 9/11 as he saw fit, or those that shelter them. If you don't like it get it repealed. |
Translation: I could care less if my president if Judge Dredd so long as he's a Democrat and I still get my Social Security checks and Medicare. Civil rights are overrated, and I don't mind getting felt up by TSA flunkies at the airport without "probable cause."
Seriously, Simon. 9/11 was over 10 years ago. MOVE ON. |
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simon_says
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Joined: Jan 21, 2011
Posts: 2443
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| CoMF wrote: | | simon_says wrote: | | 2001 AUMF, passed by Congress, gave the President the authority to go after any group he determined to be responsible for 9/11 as he saw fit, or those that shelter them. If you don't like it get it repealed. |
Translation: I could care less if my president if Judge Dredd so long as he's a Democrat and I still get my Social Security checks and Medicare. Civil rights are overrated, and I don't mind getting felt up by TSA flunkies at the airport without "probable cause."
Seriously, Simon. 9/11 was over 10 years ago. MOVE ON. |
It was passed under a Republican and I supported it then and still do. Just as Ive supported other interventions under Republicans.
Why you persist in following me around and lying about my motives is a mystery. |
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marshall
Under the whirlwind
Joined: Apr 15, 2007
Posts: 9170
Location: Western Michigan
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| TM wrote: | | Dox47 wrote: | | simon_says wrote: | If you claim to belong to Al Qaeda, an organization that openly declared war on the United States in the 1990s, well, that's on you. One American AQ ran a glossy magazine for them. Another was a cleric who openly claimed to be AQ, called for jihad against the US, etc. Beyond whatever evidence you may doubt, these guys paraded around as AQ. AQ promised vengeance for their deaths. A third is an AQ spokesman who is openly calling for plots to kill Americans. I have no problem with any of them dying. The third isnt dead yet. Hopefully he will be soon.
Americans with dual citizenship were killed in WW2 serving for Germany. That's warfare. |
So speaking out against America is now punishable by no-trial assassination? Don't try and pretend what we're doing is no different than killing turncoats in uniform in open battle, that's intellectually dishonest and I think (hope) you know it. |
I'd say it depends on "how" treasonous the acts were, if some guy orchestrates bombings of American civilians and there is evidence for it, I have little issue with sending Seal Team 6 after the guy. |
To say al-Awlaki had (was) actively orchestrated (orchestrating) attacks is a bit of a stretch. There's no question the guy was Al-Quida, but he was more of a propaganda leader and stayed away from planning attacks. His presence was too visible for that. I don't see any evidence that he was actually involved in any plots. He ran a large website frequented by militants, all out in the open, no secret plots, and that was pretty much it.
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Joker
Sinn Fein
Joined: Mar 20, 2011
Age: 24
Posts: 7593
Location: North Carolina The Tar Heel State :)
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| Mitt Romeny has no chance because he keeps flip flopping. |
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taxman
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Posts: 101
Location: United States
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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It seemed like a lot of the Republican voters were not that enthusiastic about any of their candidates, which leads me to think they will probably lose in November. This election reminds me a lot of 1996, where Republicans really despised the sitting President but could not really come up with a strong opponent. The only difference is the country is not in as good a shape but the perception may be that things are improving. I don't think moderate voters really trust the Republicans and they are usually the ones who decide the elections....I'm thinking a lot of conservative voters will probably stay home or maybe even vote third party, because many do not really like Romney very much.
Saw one of the maps showing the critical swing states and it looks like Romney would have to pull off wins in 2-3 states where the demographics are moving away from the Republican base. Still, Romney was the best choice of candidate for the Republicans, the others would have lost in a landslide.
Think the GOP is going to have to have some kind of major overhaul to remain nationally relevant long term. They'll probably always have the South and the lower population states in the Midwest/West, but if they keep going the way they are they will basically be a regional-type party. |
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