persian85033
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I was surprised because I'd just never thought about it before. I always assumed he was asexual or that helping the wizarding world meant so much to him that he just never really had time to marry. But even if he is gay, he's still a great character.
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OuterBoroughGirl
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| tb86 wrote: | | Maybe he just focused on his career and didn't have any relantionships of any gender. Is it true he fell out with his own brother. |
Three days later, and it just occurred to me that I was supposed to respond to this question. My head was somewhere else when I last checked in with this thread as it often is. I was even thinking of a response in my head, and then I failed to follow through with actually writing it out. Delayed processing anyone? Welcome to the chaotic mess that is my brain.
In any case, there was definitely tension between Albus Dumbledore and his brother Aberforth. I don't think that they were ever really close. Things really exploded between them when Albus got so involved making ethically questionable plans with Grindelwald, he neglected his duties caring for his troubled younger sister Arianna. Aberforth was angered by this neglect of Arianna. If I remember correctly, Aberforth confronted Albus and Grindelwald, and this led to an altercation between the three that turned violent in the magical sense. Arianna attempted to intervene; she got caught in the crossfire and was killed. They never did figure out which of them cast the spell that led to her death.
Aberforth was devastated and furious when his sister was killed. He confronted Albus at the funeral, blamed his for their sister's death, and apparently broke Albus's nose in front of witnesses. I believe the two brothers eventually established a relationship that was cordial, but distant.
Hope this helped.
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OuterBoroughGirl wrote[b]
| Quote: | In any case, there was definitely tension between Albus Dumbledore and his brother Aberforth. I don't think that they were ever really close. Things really exploded between them when Albus got so involved making ethically questionable plans with Grindelwald, he neglected his duties caring for his troubled younger sister Arianna. Aberforth was angered by this neglect of Arianna. If I remember correctly, Aberforth confronted Albus and Grindelwald, and this led to an altercation between the three that turned violent in the magical sense. Arianna attempted to intervene; she got caught in the crossfire and was killed. They never did figure out which of them cast the spell that led to her death.
Aberforth was devastated and furious when his sister was killed. He confronted Albus at the funeral, blamed his for their sister's death, and apparently broke Albus's nose in front of witnesses. I believe the two brothers eventually established a relationship that was cordial, but distant.
Hope this helped. |
Am I to assume this all came from the book because I've never read them and they definately never went into full detail about that. Also I remember that Grindlewald guy or whatever his name is being seen and mentioned in DH PT1, but didn't he steal the wand? Was it also the Dumbledore resident that Harry and Hermione were at because there was that picture of Grindlewhatshisname? |
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raisedbyignorance
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| tb86 wrote: | [/b]
OuterBoroughGirl wrote[b]
| Quote: | In any case, there was definitely tension between Albus Dumbledore and his brother Aberforth. I don't think that they were ever really close. Things really exploded between them when Albus got so involved making ethically questionable plans with Grindelwald, he neglected his duties caring for his troubled younger sister Arianna. Aberforth was angered by this neglect of Arianna. If I remember correctly, Aberforth confronted Albus and Grindelwald, and this led to an altercation between the three that turned violent in the magical sense. Arianna attempted to intervene; she got caught in the crossfire and was killed. They never did figure out which of them cast the spell that led to her death.
Aberforth was devastated and furious when his sister was killed. He confronted Albus at the funeral, blamed his for their sister's death, and apparently broke Albus's nose in front of witnesses. I believe the two brothers eventually established a relationship that was cordial, but distant.
Hope this helped. |
Am I to assume this all came from the book because I've never read them and they definately never went into full detail about that. Also I remember that Grindlewald guy or whatever his name is being seen and mentioned in DH PT1, but didn't he steal the wand? Was it also the Dumbledore resident that Harry and Hermione were at because there was that picture of Grindlewhatshisname? |
They were at Bathilda Bagshot's house. She was Grindlewald's aunt and I believe Grindlewald and Dumbledore were neighbors when they were kids. |
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OuterBoroughGirl
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| raisedbyignorance wrote: | | tb86 wrote: | [/b]
OuterBoroughGirl wrote[b]
| Quote: | In any case, there was definitely tension between Albus Dumbledore and his brother Aberforth. I don't think that they were ever really close. Things really exploded between them when Albus got so involved making ethically questionable plans with Grindelwald, he neglected his duties caring for his troubled younger sister Arianna. Aberforth was angered by this neglect of Arianna. If I remember correctly, Aberforth confronted Albus and Grindelwald, and this led to an altercation between the three that turned violent in the magical sense. Arianna attempted to intervene; she got caught in the crossfire and was killed. They never did figure out which of them cast the spell that led to her death.
Aberforth was devastated and furious when his sister was killed. He confronted Albus at the funeral, blamed his for their sister's death, and apparently broke Albus's nose in front of witnesses. I believe the two brothers eventually established a relationship that was cordial, but distant.
Hope this helped. |
Am I to assume this all came from the book because I've never read them and they definately never went into full detail about that. Also I remember that Grindlewald guy or whatever his name is being seen and mentioned in DH PT1, but didn't he steal the wand? Was it also the Dumbledore resident that Harry and Hermione were at because there was that picture of Grindlewhatshisname? |
They were at Bathilda Bagshot's house. She was Grindlewald's aunt and I believe Grindlewald and Dumbledore were neighbors when they were kids. |
Yes, all of this was in the seventh book. I've read all of the books multiple times, but I've seen most of the movies just once apiece. The Harry Potter movies don't tend to interest me anywhere near as much as the books do.
Grindelwald had stolen the Elder wand many decades earlier from a wandmaker overseas, Gregorovich (sp? too lazy to check). For many years, this was Grindelwald's wand, while he lead a reign of terror in Europe. Then in 1945, Dumbledore dueled and defeated Grindelwald. Dumbledore won the Elder Wand from Grindelwald, and the wand was in Dumbledore's possession for the rest of his life. Grindelwald was imprisoned, and remained imprisoned for the rest of his days until Voldemort killed him in his prison cell many years later after Grindelwald refused to tell Voldemort anything about what had become of the Elder wand. Voldemort did figure out that the wand had been buried with Dumbledore, and it was Voldemort who stole the wand from Dumbledore's tomb. If I recall correctly, that was how they concluded the DH Part 1 movie.
Dumbledore and Bathilda Bagshot both lived in the neighborhood of Godric's Hollow. Grindelwald went to stay with his Aunt Bathilda after he got into too much trouble at Durmstrang, the wizarding school he was attending, and was expelled as a result. Grindelwald stayed for about two months if I remember correctly, during which time Dumbledore and Grindelwald shared a brief but intense "friendship." After Arianna Dumbledore was killed, Grindelwald fled Godric's Hollow to avoid trouble for himself.
That's how it all went down to the best of my recollection, in any case.
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Snape and Dumbledore.... maybe.... or Draco and Dumbledore?
THAT could be why Draco couldn't kill him in The Half-Blood Prince... YES.
Also, who has two kids and calls them Albus and Alberforth? You don't do that. The names are too similar. And second also, Grindelwald is a place in Switzerland, so should also not be a name.
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JK Rowling was a bit more careful than "Dumbledore is gay", at least at first. She was responding to a question, and she said something like "for me, Dumbledore is gay". She respected the difference between canon and author insight. If it's not in the story, then she is no more authoritative than anybody else. Authors often talk as if they are "discovering" their characters rather than "creating" them. I guess she felt as if Dumbledore was an acquaintance of hers that she suspected was gay but never asked.
After it became a controversy, she took a stronger position on it in order to use the opportunity to support the gay community. It might end up in the story now (via a series companion of some sort), simply because of the fuss that was made about it by conservatives. |
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| tb86 wrote: | | Is it true that Dumbledore is gay? I heard that J K Rowling herself said so. Was it ever said in the books because I've never read them, I've only seen the movies? I kind of find that too hard to believe. Does that kind of thing really belong in a childrens story, yes adults like them too and they did get darker but still it is kinda odd. |
Well, after she said it in an official statement, I thought about parts of the story. I guess it's true.
| fragileclover wrote: | | mushroo wrote: | | tb86 wrote: | | Gandalf type wizard who doesn't look the gay type. |
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Don't mix up the books with the films!
| fragileclover wrote: | Yes, JK Rowling did indicate that Dumbledore was gay. This isn't something that is mentioned in the book, but as an author or writer in general, you often write down traits about your character that you may never include in the piece that you're writing, but that will help you to better understand the character you're writing.
I'm not sure why, but I always found it quite obvious that Dumbledore was gay, so wasn't at all surprised when Rowling revealed it to be true. |
I didn't find most things obvious in the books. I never see implied relationships or preferences. I usually just miss that stuff.
But it made sense to me when she revealed it. I'm just not so quick on "deciding" what is implied.
| persian85033 wrote: | | I was surprised because I'd just never thought about it before. I always assumed he was asexual or that helping the wizarding world meant so much to him that he just never really had time to marry. But even if he is gay, he's still a great character. |
That's kind of how I read Dumbledore, too. I didn't think about it either. Unless people are in a relationship, these things don't occur to me.
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| To be fair I don't really care that much anymore. |
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