NarcissusSavage
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100% new and unique ideas are more than rare than is practical to imagine. Everyone builds on concepts they have from those who came before them. It is part of being human.
The trick is to keep things interesting, even if they are just borrowed, altered, or recycled concepts. And Mr. Lee was always good at making it interesting, as was Shakespeare. |
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scorpileo
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the prospect of a cure worries me.. not just because I don't deem autism to be a disease.. but because it will be misused, it may not be mandatory but what about people who are underage, their parents could sign them up with the cure with out their connect the same wound be true of adults with LFA..
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AnonymousAspy
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as it seems, i will have to add 2 more cents. The cure is likely a long term medication kind of thing to supress a certain thing from happening so even if one would take it they could stop and go back to what they were at before.
regardless i think the option of it being there is a good thing and if it would help me, in my situtation, i'd likely take full advantage of it.
hell this may even help quite alot of us simply cause we will be able to understand Neurotypical people better if it ends up working well. |
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shrox
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | Yes, I now recall that bit of information. And as I had responded previously, Shakespeare blatantly stole ideas from other play writes, and produced works that have lasted the centuries.
Long live Stan Lee, the Shakespeare of the modern age! 
-Bill, otherwise know as Kraichgauer |
Great artists steal, good artists starve in the street. |
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ValentineWiggin
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| AnonymousAspy wrote: | Animal testing is a vital part of science, for the time being, Its likely that if ya ever wore any non selfmade clothes, used makeup, had to take medicine for anything or even ate/drunk something not selfmade you took advantage of that.
Hell if there was no animal testing we would not know what was poisonous/dangerous for our health till possibly a large chunk of the population got exposed to something with possibly disastrous consequences. The ammounts of deaths both animal and human would be far higher besides the reason i mentioned above as noone would be willing to commit possible murder to make medicines as they would not be able to test it.
That said, the technology to abolish animal testing is slowly catching up but it is still nowhere near ready to completly to get rid of it |
Think of how much MORE we could learn about human health if we tested on actual HUMANS, consent or no! /sarcasm
Actually, a number of scientific bodies consider animal-testing to be unethical and unscientific, and that's been the case for several decades.
We have human tissue samples, computer models, and a variety of more accurate means of testing.
Were that not the case, would it ethically justify using sentient beings as means to human ends?
I'm not seeing how.
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ValentineWiggin
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| AnonymousAspy wrote: |
too add, i presume you are a vegan and prolife looking at your last point seeing as you considering killing of animals murder. |
Cute tu quo que you've got there.
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| shrox wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | Yes, I now recall that bit of information. And as I had responded previously, Shakespeare blatantly stole ideas from other play writes, and produced works that have lasted the centuries.
Long live Stan Lee, the Shakespeare of the modern age!
-Bill, otherwise know as Kraichgauer |
Great artists steal, good artists starve in the street. |
That very well may be why I'm an aspiring writer depending on my wife just to survive.
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Joker
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| I have never agreed about testing things on animals I am not a vegan but I am a huge animal lover. Testing things on animals is wrong to me. |
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rileyup
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| i dont really care,some people actually want to be cured.ranting wont help,it wont change anything |
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starkid
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Cornflake wrote: | | Hmm - if this thread is going to continue drifting into the moral arguments of animal testing instead of sticking to the topic title I might have to consider moving it to PPR. |
Well, I'm done. AnonymousAspy, if you want an answer to your question, I will PM it to you. I put the response in my WP blog, but it came out as one giant paragraph.
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LennytheWicked
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| shrox wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | Yes, I now recall that bit of information. And as I had responded previously, Shakespeare blatantly stole ideas from other play writes, and produced works that have lasted the centuries.
Long live Stan Lee, the Shakespeare of the modern age!
-Bill, otherwise know as Kraichgauer |
Great artists steal, good artists starve in the street. |
No, geniuses starve in the streets. Arts bewail. :3
[January 1795 reference] |
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LennytheWicked
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| scorpileo wrote: | | the prospect of a cure worries me.. not just because I don't deem autism to be a disease.. but because it will be misused, it may not be mandatory but what about people who are underage, their parents could sign them up with the cure with out their connect the same wound be true of adults with LFA.. |
Exactly.  Also, we have no idea if it would lower intellectual abilities or not--that seems important to me. [Especially because apparently some people who are nonverbal are also secret savants who would be successful if they could communicate; in that case therapy is a better option.]
And then there are people more like me and my friends; I think at least a few of our parents are scummy enough to do that despite our numerous assertions that we like ourselves, autism and all. |
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Joker
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| A cure for autism just can't be found when you have no clue what creates it. |
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LennytheWicked
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | A cure for autism just can't be found when you have no clue what creates it. |
They found a treatment for Fragile X I guess.  |
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Joker
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| LennytheWicked wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | A cure for autism just can't be found when you have no clue what creates it. |
They found a treatment for Fragile X I guess. |
True but if is such a hard feild of study I mean their could be so many factors and not just one that created the gene. |
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