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Vigilans
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| snapcap wrote: | | Does datura grow in that part of the world? Maybe it was a burning datura plant. |
I don't think it was datura/jimson weed; usually people buzz on that using the seeds, which is the only active part (I believe, it has been a while since I read anything about that sh**). The story seems too coherent to have been from the influence of datura, which causes delirium, not hallucinations. I dunno why anyone does that crap
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Joker
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| HerrGrimm wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | HerrGrimm wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Yes indeed it does the bible has a lot of hidden meanings behind each story. |
Not if you take it literally. |
Yes not if you take it literally of course but you can peel back certin things then it makes more since once you decode it. |
I think you missed the hidden meaning of what I said.
| Joker wrote: | | If a burning bush starting talking to me I would at least hear would it has to say befor I ran away from it |
And if it said an illogical sentence like "I am who am", what would you do? Not as a Christian, they didn't exist back then. As a typical human being.
This whole Bible is illogical. Think about it:
Jesus is standing before trial. He told everyone to keep quiet, he said Lazarus and Jairus's daughter were just sleeping, and if he said to me "I am who you say I am" to the King of the Jews question, I would have no reason to believe he is if I was Roman, nor would I believe he is the Son of God if he did not do any miracles by his own word. I would think he is just some random guy off the street being scapegoated and let him go. How he died is amazingly redonkulous. It is like he did not want to do it. If I was going to kill myself I at least would do something to get there. This book is silly...
Even though I have to say, he might be the Son of God, because he might have used homeopathy to ultra-dilute the fish and loaves into enough to feed that many people. THAT would be a miracle.
Sorry, tangent...
Next question:
Why did God make the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Who was supposed to eat from it, and if no one was supposed to eat from it, why did he make it to have edible food on it? If other animals ate the fruit, I hope the fruit did not have seeds, because you could have had that farmer-and-the-seed parable be real life. For all I know the world would be covered with Trees of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
And why are Christians not nudists, if clothing yourself was so bad? |
He all ready knew Adam and Eve would eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Jesus was a pacifist he told his apostles to stand down even though they had planned on killing to protect Jesus. The dietary laws of the bible make pretty logical since other things will not make since to people unless their a theist such as myself. But I understand what you are saying HerrGrimm I can debate and talk about religion with you more then any other non theist because all you do is ask question and not attack theists beliefs. |
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| Vigilans wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | Does datura grow in that part of the world? Maybe it was a burning datura plant. |
I don't think it was datura/jimson weed; usually people buzz on that using the seeds, which is the only active part (I believe, it has been a while since I read anything about that sh**). The story seems too coherent to have been from the influence of datura, which causes delirium, not hallucinations. I dunno why anyone does that crap |
They actually do produce hallucinations, in a truer sense than most psychedelics. They make you believe your hallucination is real, whereas if you hallucinate with a psychedelic, you usually have the ability to separate hallucination from reality.
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Joker
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| snapcap wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | Does datura grow in that part of the world? Maybe it was a burning datura plant. |
I don't think it was datura/jimson weed; usually people buzz on that using the seeds, which is the only active part (I believe, it has been a while since I read anything about that sh**). The story seems too coherent to have been from the influence of datura, which causes delirium, not hallucinations. I dunno why anyone does that crap |
They actually do produce hallucinations, in a truer sense than most psychedelics. They make you believe your hallucination is real, whereas if you hallucinate with a psychedelic, you usually have the ability to separate hallucination from reality. |
That all depends on the personality when I have smoked weed I never experienced hallucinations. |
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HerrGrimm
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| Joker wrote: | | He all ready knew Adam and Eve would eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Jesus was a pacifist he told his apostles to stand down even though they had planned on killing to protect Jesus. The dietary laws of the bible make pretty logical since other things will not make since to people unless their a theist such as myself. But I understand what you are saying HerrGrimm I can debate and talk about religion with you more then any other non theist because all you do is ask question and not attack theists beliefs. |
I don't think you are reading my posts correctly...
Then why even bother having the Tree and just make it that way? I think he is joshing with you like Moses when he said to keep his arms up in battle so they could win, or that time in Ezekiel when he told a guy to cook with his own feces, only to find out (despite being all-knowing) that he did not eat rotten animal flesh, so he allowed cow dung to be used instead.
He got proceeding lazy as the Bible went along. First he started making the World (you could see foreshadowing because it took him 1000 years to make each stage) and killing people himself, then it just went downhill to just guessing which of the thousands of denominations of Christianity is actually the right one after all this time...
In order to protect your God, Christians have to acknowledge that God cannot be all-knowing SOMETIMES, all-powerful SOMETIMES, etc. That is how silly this stuff is.
Also, why should I listen to someone who never had a relationship to tell me how to have mine work? You think I am going to believe something that has no experience in the matter about the right things to do?
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Joker
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| HerrGrimm wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | He all ready knew Adam and Eve would eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Jesus was a pacifist he told his apostles to stand down even though they had planned on killing to protect Jesus. The dietary laws of the bible make pretty logical since other things will not make since to people unless their a theist such as myself. But I understand what you are saying HerrGrimm I can debate and talk about religion with you more then any other non theist because all you do is ask question and not attack theists beliefs. |
Then why even bother having the Tree and just make it that way? I think he is trolling you like Moses when he said to keep his arms up in battle so they could win, or that time in Ezekiel when he told a guy to cook with his own feces, only to find out (despite being all-knowing) that he did not eat rotten animal flesh, so he allowed cow dung to be used instead.
He got proceeding lazy as the Bible went along. First he started making the World (you could see foreshadowing because it took him 1000 years to make each stage) and killing people himself, then it just went downhill to just guessing which of the thousands of denominations of Christianity is actually the right one after all this time... |
This is a question no Christian can answer because Christians are placed in Groups/denominations you have so many and they all have diffrent views of the Bible not all of us have the same views. Even though we read the same book we interpret the bible and the laws diffrent ways.
Christians have been at war with themselfs more then they have with anything else really orthodox cathoilc lutheran calivst methodist babtist have been killing each other because we have been fighting about. Which denomation is the rigth one I am a methodist some of my family is babtist and some are catholic now at a family reuion their are always fights.
Moses was a good leader though he plays a more important role in the Jewish faith then he does in the christian religion. |
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This whole Bible is illogical. Think about it:
Jesus is standing before trial. He told everyone to keep quiet, he said Lazarus and Jairus's daughter were just sleeping, and if he said to me "I am who you say I am" to the King of the Jews question, I would have no reason to believe he is if I was Roman, nor would I believe he is the Son of God if he did not do any miracles by his own word. I would think he is just some random guy off the street being scapegoated and let him go. How he died is amazingly redonkulous. It is like he did not want to do it. If I was going to kill myself I at least would do something to get there. This book is silly...
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What I heard about this is that Jesus was tried for WHO he was - which is why he gave that answer. People didnt get tried for who they are they got tried for what they did, but this wasn't the case with Jesus.
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Joker
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| Cogs wrote: | | HerrGrimm wrote: |
This whole Bible is illogical. Think about it:
Jesus is standing before trial. He told everyone to keep quiet, he said Lazarus and Jairus's daughter were just sleeping, and if he said to me "I am who you say I am" to the King of the Jews question, I would have no reason to believe he is if I was Roman, nor would I believe he is the Son of God if he did not do any miracles by his own word. I would think he is just some random guy off the street being scapegoated and let him go. How he died is amazingly redonkulous. It is like he did not want to do it. If I was going to kill myself I at least would do something to get there. This book is silly...
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What I heard about this is that Jesus was tried for WHO he was - which is why he gave that answer. People didnt get tried for who they are they got tried for what they did, but this wasn't the case with Jesus. |
Jesus didn't break any laws the though and the pharisees feared jesus and had him tried and crucified. |
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| Cogs wrote: | | What I heard about this is that Jesus was tried for WHO he was - which is why he gave that answer. People didnt get tried for who they are they got tried for what they did, but this wasn't the case with Jesus. |
Would you really care if you were someone like a Roman or Pontius Pilate? I would have laughed this case off and let it go, but that is just me.
| Joker wrote: | | Jesus didn't break any laws the though and the pharisees feared jesus and had him tried and crucified. |
Exactly. No laws broken. No case. Had to make something else up to get it done. I seriously would not care if I was a Roman, because this is just some trivial thing between Jews.
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Joker
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| HerrGrimm wrote: | | Cogs wrote: | | What I heard about this is that Jesus was tried for WHO he was - which is why he gave that answer. People didnt get tried for who they are they got tried for what they did, but this wasn't the case with Jesus. |
Would you really care if you were someone like a Roman or Pontius Pilate? I would have laughed this case off and let it go, but that is just me. |
True but Herod, who was himself a pawn of Rome, had his own pawns installed in the Jewish priesthood. By the first century the election of the High Priest was more political than religious. The Pharisees were very zealous for the Law of Moses, but they also considered themselves the guardians of the oral traditions that scholars developed over generations. The oral traditions interpreted the Law of Moses.
That is what played a role in the trial of Jesus he was a victim of political power. |
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| HerrGrimm wrote: | | Cogs wrote: | | What I heard about this is that Jesus was tried for WHO he was - which is why he gave that answer. People didnt get tried for who they are they got tried for what they did, but this wasn't the case with Jesus. |
Would you really care if you were someone like a Roman or Pontius Pilate? I would have laughed this case off and let it go, but that is just me.
| Joker wrote: | | Jesus didn't break any laws the though and the pharisees feared jesus and had him tried and crucified. |
Exactly. No laws broken. No case. Had to make something else up to get it done. I seriously would not care if I was a Roman, because this is just some trivial thing between Jews. |
From the roman perspective I'm betting that he was tried and executed for the crime of getting the jews all riled up. |
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abacacus
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Here's one:
Why is this amazingly bloodthirsty and blatantly psychopathic "god" so revered for demanding infants be killed, people be killed by having rocks thrown at them, people be burned alive, etc?
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| abacacus wrote: | Here's one:
Why is this amazingly bloodthirsty and blatantly psychopathic "god" so revered for demanding infants be killed, people be killed by having rocks thrown at them, people be burned alive, etc? |
You are misreading scripture clearly you must do more research. In any religion besides the Abrahamic religions Gods have had people bured killed ect because of those who are disobedient to laws and will. Are the ones who pay the price even the innnocent such as children God is loving and wrathful. |
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| Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | Here's one:
Why is this amazingly bloodthirsty and blatantly psychopathic "god" so revered for demanding infants be killed, people be killed by having rocks thrown at them, people be burned alive, etc? |
You are misreading scripture clearly you must do more research. In any religion besides the Abrahamic religions Gods have had people bured killed ect because of those who are disobedient to laws and will. Are the ones who pay the price even the innnocent such as children God is loving and wrathful. |
What's your point? I'm talking about indefensible actions here. There is NEVER a time when it is fine to do any of things I listed... god commands you do them. How does this have anything to do with miss reading scripture? Your argument is a blatant case of "I have no argument so I'm gonna to spout horseapples".
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Joker
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| abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | Here's one:
Why is this amazingly bloodthirsty and blatantly psychopathic "god" so revered for demanding infants be killed, people be killed by having rocks thrown at them, people be burned alive, etc? |
You are misreading scripture clearly you must do more research. In any religion besides the Abrahamic religions Gods have had people bured killed ect because of those who are disobedient to laws and will. Are the ones who pay the price even the innnocent such as children God is loving and wrathful. |
What's your point? I'm talking about indefensible actions here. There is NEVER a time when it is fine to do any of things I listed... god commands you do them. How does this have anything to do with miss reading scripture? Your argument is a blatant case of "I have no argument so I'm gonna to spout horseapples". |
I mean this if it is the faithul following their beliefs and faith why does it bother you even if their was no religion these things would still take place. |
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