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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Risks of obliterating 'normal'? Reply with quote

I was in another thread when I realized I had a topic that I think would be great to have here.

The question is ultimately this: by denormalizing everything, by assigning an 'ism' to almost any human behavior (starting from different modes of sexuality - even modes within modes - and working outward to all kinds of other things) that we may essentially cause a 'heat death' for cohesive society as we know it?

I'm not meaning to be so forboding as to suggest that it would cause anarchy, collapse, or even ice cold indifference to fellow human beings, but it seems like conceptually exploding the normal curve and deleting the middle just by assigning everyone too many isms for such a thing to exist anymore - essentially we're just shifting goalposts, changing definitions, but at the same time these are remarkably powerful definitions we're working with.

What do you think are the benefits? What do you think are the perils? Would the perils outweigh the benefits in your opinion or would the benefits outweigh the perils?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the main benefactors would/will be the pharmacutical industry.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, but how to do you get anyone to take medication when there's no standard?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main benefactors would be the pocket dictionary industry.

The losers in it would be trees.

Ultimately, it sounds absurd.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snapcap wrote:
The main benefactors would be the pocket dictionary industry.

The losers in it would be trees.

Wow, I think that might just be the perfect answer - and it came within two posts of the OP. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Behold, NT brains!

*Demonstrates brains*

You forgot to quote the absurd part.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Risks of obliterating 'normal'? Reply with quote

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
What do you think are the benefits? What do you think are the perils? Would the perils outweigh the benefits in your opinion or would the benefits outweigh the perils?


Perils
Overmedication and the idea that literally everything that every person does is somehow mentally unhealthy

Benefits
Neurodiversity becomes a default. To paraphrase The Incredibles, when everybody is different, nobody is different.

I think the perils outweight the benfits, especially the overmedication part.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, never been a believer in spectrumite intellectual supremacy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Risks of obliterating 'normal'? Reply with quote

Janissy wrote:

Benefits
Neurodiversity becomes a default. To paraphrase The Incredibles, when everybody is different, nobody is different.

And any local board of education would mimic US Congress. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trees? Wha...?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Lol, but how to do you get anyone to take medication when there's no standard?


Multiple standards. Everybody will meet at least some of the standards. Nobody will meet all of them. So people get medicated for whichever of the standards they don't meet. This already happens to some extent in general medicine. By the time you get to my age (middle age) many people are on at least one medication for one physical standard they don't meet, whether it be cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, blood sugar. Nobody fails to meet all the standards but many don't meet at least one. The same could happen for mental health.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not everyone is willing to reach into the grab bag of side-effects though. I know they've been talking about getting people who have genetic cholesterol risks on statons by the age of 8 or 10 but - it makes a lot more sense for physical health than mental because we know what we're doing is - psychologically at least - developmentally neutral. With psychiatric meds its a much more complicated world.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Meh, never been a believer in spectrumite intellectual supremacy.


I may not be on the AS, but I don't think I have NT brains either. I have MT brains.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind, I get the tree thing now.
I'm thick sometimes. scratch
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: Risks of obliterating 'normal'? Reply with quote

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The question is ultimately this: by denormalizing everything, by assigning an 'ism' to almost any human behavior (starting from different modes of sexuality - even modes within modes - and working outward to all kinds of other things) that we may essentially cause a 'heat death' for cohesive society as we know it?


This is basically what the book Future Shock was all about, though the concept there was a bit more expansive. He was talking about more than just defining (though that was part of it), he was talking about the complete fragmentation of society into sub-cultures and the loss of a common experience.
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