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I had years on haldol then risperidal and it seemed to immitate a lot of the negative effects of both medications. Back when I was between 17 and 20 and still the meds my friends wanted to smoke regularly, wanted me to, and the whole thing of having my spit turn to Crisco, having the over-the-top sinking in feeling, I'd even stare at a hutch and just about see it disappear into a white wall - really nothing like an LSD hallucination but more like visual burn-in. My social skills would be extra-shite for two weeks after I smoked as well.
After being off antipsychotics for years by my mid 20's - it still wasn't my 'favorite' thing but it it was a much more positive, bearable, and less functionally degrading experience than it had been previously.
So agreed on that front as well - chemical balance, what meds you're on, etc. have a lot to do with it. A lot of my friends who've been daily smokers for a long time, actually have been all the way from their teens through now in their early 30's; incredibly ambitious guys, post-graduate, high grades, going places. For them they're naturally uptight and it levels them. |
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| techstepgenr8tion wrote: |
So agreed on that front as well - chemical balance, what meds you're on, etc. have a lot to do with it. A lot of my friends who've been daily smokers for a long time, actually have been all the way from their teens through now in their early 30's; incredibly ambitious guys, post-graduate, high grades, going places. For them they're naturally uptight and it levels them. |
This is in essence why I like both alcohol and pot, it levels out my over-ambition and lets me relax and take things easy for a while. Sober my mind is racing 1000 miles per hour, some substances let me take a break. |
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I'm not even on anti-psychs and never have been.
The visual burn-ins were a lot like you described. However, I have really scary auditory hallucinations when I smoke, which I only have very rarely and mildly normally. I also can't communicate in any way with any human beings, which is way worse than my normal slightly rubbish social skills.
My brain is just faulty.
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| puddingmouse wrote: | I'm not even on anti-psychs and never have been.
The visual burn-ins were a lot like you described. However, I have really scary auditory hallucinations when I smoke, which I only have very rarely and mildly normally. I also can't communicate in any way with any human beings, which is way worse than my normal slightly rubbish social skills. |
That kills the fun of just about anything when it goes like that. The only thing I ever did that put me in the non-social direction was Ketamine and even there we could talk, just that it was us laughing about how difficult it was or throwing a ball around to challenge ourselves to catch it.
| puddingmouse wrote: | | My brain is just faulty. |
Probably not. I still remember a girl we used to hang with in college with who mentioned that while she was for seeing it legal she herself had such a bad allergic reaction herself that she was hospitalized with respiratory problems. Life's a box of gamble chocolates; some are filled with caramel, orange fondit, or marzipan, others with cat sh**. |
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| puddingmouse wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body. |
I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.
I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.
I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff. |
Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.
But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much.
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| mcg wrote: | | If weed were legal, corporations would put middle-class drug dealers out of business with their mass produced, logistically optimal weed. |
Okay, looking back at this, and from the POV of a smoker, I would say that this doesn't really represent what would happen. I'm used to smoking cannabis that has a THC level from 26-31% nowadays. Although I have a card, there are only certain dispensories that I will do business with, because so many of them use mass produced stuff that maxes out at like 19%. It doesn't taste as good, and doesn't smoke as well, so it seems like a waste of money to me. A lot of people who smoke cannabis are pretty discerning, maybe even more discerning than me (maybe, hehehe).
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body. |
I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.
I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.
I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff. |
Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.
But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much. |
Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.
2. Edibles can take as much as thirty minutes to an hour to start affecting people, so I think it is very possible to overdose using edibles. Sure, people have said that they tried to overdose using edibles, in some programs on TV a while ago, if I remember right. But I wasn't impressed by their assumption that you can't overdose, because they didn't eat all that much. Not to mention that they don't process their edibles very well. Most people don't, and especially dispensory workers. Normal people mostly just take some shake and make butter with it on the stove, cooking it for probably less than three hours. It's really not all that potent. Maybe to people who don't use cannabis very much, or aren't used to high THC content, but certainly not to someone who has been using cannabis for a long time.
The normal smoker, who didn't buy it off of someone who did a crap job of making edibles (like I just described), and is actually making it for him or her self, will let the butter simmer sometimes even for most of the day before using it, and if he/she can afford it, will use bud, not shake.
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| Lukecash12 wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body. |
I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.
I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.
I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff. |
Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.
But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much. |
Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.
2. Edibles can take as much as thirty minutes to an hour to start affecting people, so I think it is very possible to overdose using edibles. Sure, people have said that they tried to overdose using edibles, in some programs on TV a while ago, if I remember right. But I wasn't impressed by their assumption that you can't overdose, because they didn't eat all that much. Not to mention that they don't process their edibles very well. Most people don't, and especially dispensory workers. Normal people mostly just take some shake and make butter with it on the stove, cooking it for probably less than three hours. It's really not all that potent. Maybe to people who don't use cannabis very much, or aren't used to high THC content, but certainly not to someone who has been using cannabis for a long time.
The normal smoker, who didn't buy it off of someone who did a crap job of making edibles (like I just described), and is actually making it for him or her self, will let the butter simmer sometimes even for most of the day before using it, and if he/she can afford it, will use bud, not shake. |
1. Nope. You'll pass out first.
2. Nope. Your stomach will explode first.
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| Lukecash12 wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | puddingmouse wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body. |
I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.
I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.
I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff. |
Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.
But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much. |
Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.
Well good hash is typically much more potent then good bud, so I'd say hash is probably a bit more dangerous, so one should certianly excercise caution though puking and passing out would still occur before they smoked enough for a deadly overdose. But I've never heard of hash that is 100% THC.
2. Edibles can take as much as thirty minutes to an hour to start affecting people, so I think it is very possible to overdose using edibles. Sure, people have said that they tried to overdose using edibles, in some programs on TV a while ago, if I remember right. But I wasn't impressed by their assumption that you can't overdose, because they didn't eat all that much. Not to mention that they don't process their edibles very well. Most people don't, and especially dispensory workers. Normal people mostly just take some shake and make butter with it on the stove, cooking it for probably less than three hours. It's really not all that potent. Maybe to people who don't use cannabis very much, or aren't used to high THC content, but certainly not to someone who has been using cannabis for a long time.
Well yeah that is why it's recommended people start with a small chunk of edible wait that thirty minutes and eat more if they haven't gotten the desired effects. Also even if one did overdose on edibles chances are they would puke, once they had digested too much THC, so a deadly overdose is still unlikely
The normal smoker, who didn't buy it off of someone who did a crap job of making edibles (like I just described), will let the butter simmer for most of the day before using it, and if he/she can afford it, will use bud, not shake. |
that makes sense.
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| Lukecash12 wrote: | Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep. |
No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.
The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.
Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish. |
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| CrazyCatLord wrote: | | Lukecash12 wrote: | Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep. |
No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.
The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.
Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish. |
In Humboldt County you can easily double those numbers. 30% THC content for hash is common. There are even labs here that will analyze it for you.
http://www.sclabs.com/
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| shrox wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | | Lukecash12 wrote: | Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep. |
No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.
The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.
Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish. |
In Humboldt County you can easily double those numbers. 30% THC content for hash is common. There are even labs here that will analyze it for you.
http://www.sclabs.com/
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usually that testing is done not specifically for THC but for active cannabinoids,
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| shrox wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | | Lukecash12 wrote: | Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:
1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep. |
No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.
The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.
Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish. |
In Humboldt County you can easily double those numbers. 30% THC content for hash is common. There are even labs here that will analyze it for you.
http://www.sclabs.com/
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Wow, that's a lot more than I thought  I didn't know that hash oil can be more potent than cannabis resin. Wikipedia says about the oil "resin can contain up to 20% THC content, ... cannabis oil may contain more than 60% THC content." I guess that explains the 30% in hashish.
Strangely, I've always found the weed that I bought on my rare trips to Holland stronger than the cheap pressed hash that I used to buy in Germany. But who knows what that hash was made of. |
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| One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed. |
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| mcg wrote: | | One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed. |
Well do they die from the chemicals in marijuana or inhaling marijuana smoke? because there is a difference.
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