Joker
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HisDivineMajesty
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: are there double standards in L&D? |
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | i think that a female cannot behave in a way that you would find acceptable because you have already prejudged them all according to past experiences (and perhaps you don't even see the positives because you only believe the negatives). you sound like your thoughts and actions have become quite paranoid about them. i hope that you understand that this issue arises from your own mind, and not from the people around you. |
Of course they can behave in a way I'd find acceptable. Some of them do - but they're either members of my family who have known me for all of my life, or women whose job description includes appearing friendly. From what I've seen, I've developed a distaste for what seems to be universal behaviour. Even though I know little women in-depth, they're extremely over-represented in that compared to men I know. If they would, so callously, betray and hurt someone else, then they'd have no problem doing that to me. Now, I'm not immediately hostile - I try to be friendly, and on rare occasions, they're friendly. But nothing beyond that.
The main issue I have here is the two-faced nature I've encountered too often. When they're talking to someone, conversation is full of compliments and had a friendly tone. However, as I noticed between classes a while ago, they'll equally ridicule and insult those same people they've been friendly to only five minutes later.
| hyperlexian wrote: | | i am glad you finally explained your experiences regarding women, so that members can see that you are coming from a very skewed perspective regarding females, and therefore your posts must not be taken as objective. |
I've yet to see any opinion that should be taken as objective. Of course my perspective is skewed, as women hate me before I meet them. As in, act aggressively even if I don't know them and have no intention of speaking to them at all. Sometimes, they try to command me, or act faux-friendly. |
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Delphiki
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: are there double standards in L&D? |
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | | i am glad you finally explained your experiences regarding women, so that members can see that you are coming from a very skewed perspective regarding females, and therefore your posts must not be taken as objective. |
I've yet to see any opinion that should be taken as objective. Of course my perspective is skewed, as women hate me before I meet them. As in, act aggressively even if I don't know them and have no intention of speaking to them at all. Sometimes, they try to command me, or act faux-friendly. |
All women always hate you before you meet them? 
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: are there double standards in L&D? |
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All women always hate you before you meet them? |
Even I'm struggling in this topic where a woman has said they hate him. 
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HisDivineMajesty
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| It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
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DogsWithoutHorses
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's.
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HisDivineMajesty
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| DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
Apparently, pickup artists are succesful in what they do. Embezzling and cheating has very little to do with a general way of communicating.
Here's the deal - men are relatively straightforward, even if they're doing something bad. Women are often exceedingly vague and turn out to be doing something nasty. |
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Delphiki
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
Apparently, pickup artists are succesful in what they do. Embezzling and cheating has very little to do with a general way of communicating.
Here's the deal - men are relatively straightforward, even if they're doing something bad. Women are often exceedingly vague and turn out to be doing something nasty. |
I agree, the men who owned Enron were very straight forward about everything. When they were caught they said, you know what, you caught us, here is all the money we stole and we are now poor.
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DogsWithoutHorses
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
Apparently, pickup artists are succesful in what they do. Embezzling and cheating has very little to do with a general way of communicating.
Here's the deal - men are relatively straightforward, even if they're doing something bad. Women are often exceedingly vague and turn out to be doing something nasty. |
Orly, show me non anecdotal proof of that assertion.
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hyperlexian
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:55 am Post subject: Re: are there double standards in L&D? |
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | | i think that a female cannot behave in a way that you would find acceptable because you have already prejudged them all according to past experiences (and perhaps you don't even see the positives because you only believe the negatives). you sound like your thoughts and actions have become quite paranoid about them. i hope that you understand that this issue arises from your own mind, and not from the people around you. |
Of course they can behave in a way I'd find acceptable. Some of them do - but they're either members of my family who have known me for all of my life, or women whose job description includes appearing friendly. From what I've seen, I've developed a distaste for what seems to be universal behaviour. Even though I know little women in-depth, they're extremely over-represented in that compared to men I know. If they would, so callously, betray and hurt someone else, then they'd have no problem doing that to me. Now, I'm not immediately hostile - I try to be friendly, and on rare occasions, they're friendly. But nothing beyond that.
The main issue I have here is the two-faced nature I've encountered too often. When they're talking to someone, conversation is full of compliments and had a friendly tone. However, as I noticed between classes a while ago, they'll equally ridicule and insult those same people they've been friendly to only five minutes later.
| hyperlexian wrote: | | i am glad you finally explained your experiences regarding women, so that members can see that you are coming from a very skewed perspective regarding females, and therefore your posts must not be taken as objective. |
I've yet to see any opinion that should be taken as objective. Of course my perspective is skewed, as women hate me before I meet them. As in, act aggressively even if I don't know them and have no intention of speaking to them at all. Sometimes, they try to command me, or act faux-friendly. |
lol women can't hate you before you meet them. also, you are incorrectly categorising female behaviour as different from men's (of COURSE they would be different in some way you find to be negative lol).
on a different note (moderator hat is on), be careful about your posts because sexist generalisations are not allowed on WrongPlanet. so your opinions can't really be expressed as such without violating the rules.
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
Apparently, pickup artists are succesful in what they do. Embezzling and cheating has very little to do with a general way of communicating.
Here's the deal - men are relatively straightforward, even if they're doing something bad. Women are often exceedingly vague and turn out to be doing something nasty. |
and... right on cue. this sort of post is not acceptable, as it violates a few rules (as bolded).
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we get it. you don't like women for whatever reasons. keep it off the forum.
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
Apparently, pickup artists are succesful in what they do. Embezzling and cheating has very little to do with a general way of communicating.
Here's the deal - men are relatively straightforward, even if they're doing something bad. Women are often exceedingly vague and turn out to be doing something nasty. |
And here we have a perfect example of the double standards I was mentioning.
Women are apparently evil for being two-faced(according to him) however when a male does it he is just succesfull at what he does.
Just pointing this out because some people had some issues understanding the double standards I was referring to at the OP. |
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Kurgan
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| DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
You can still employ PUA and be honest, not that PUA is any good, though. People say that it works because of the placebo effect; they get themselves out there and don't realize that cute and quiet Jane has liked them all along.
Women are just as likely as men to cheat. Men are bigger risk takers than women and thus, most people guilty of embezzlement are men. |
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| DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | It's certainly not said openly, but in real life is often obviously implied. I'd verbally smash them into the ground if they said that openly. That's what I appreciate most in friendship with men - they're honest, and they tell you what they want to tell you to your face. That means they don't have to contact my friends, who'd generally give me a heads-up, in order to insult me, and I can immediately respond and put them in their place if they go too far. It's much more straightforward. |
Yeah all men are just so honest. No embezzlers, cheaters, or PUA's. |
Women do all those things too. I saw an article on cosmo tittled "get in his head to get in your bed". But isnt it also generalizing by saying that women are all perfect and good? I hear much of this said that "ohh girls dont think about just looks and a good personality is all that matters". Isnt that by definition a generalization? But nothing comes of it because its one that makes women sound good, and it does have a small attack to men saying they are the ones that are only about looks. In reality both sexes look for attractive people just as much to then find if they have good personality. |
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MXH
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You can still employ PUA and be honest, not that PUA is any good, though. People say that it works because of the placebo effect; they get themselves out there and don't realize that cute and quiet Jane has liked them all along.
Women are just as likely as men to cheat. Men are bigger risk takers than women and thus, most people guilty of embezzlement are men. |
Well, you have to define what you say by PUA, considering theres many schools of thought on this. Ranging from being a dick and going through women like its toilet paper to others that discus more of how to get people comfortable around you and let them know youre interested. In both cases i do agree that the only way it works is by teaching these people to not take rejection harshly and just keep going until they find one that will go for them. Also, have you noticed most PUA masters are guys that are already good looking? Lets be honest wp girls, would you say no to this guy?
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and ive heard mystery is actually very good looking when not wearing all te stupid sh** he wears. Then again he did admit to her that he "sells bullshit". Its one of the reasons why ive never attempted anything PUA wise, if i saw a below average guy that could find a way to attract girls Id listen to himmore than a bunch of prettyboys pretending to. Because lets face it, ive never seen or heard of any of these guys doing more than just getting a phone number. |
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