zacb
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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: What Political Persuasion Are You? |
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Hi,
First time poster. What are your political views? I am personally libertarian (lean more towards Rothbardianism) and have read a few articles about how libertarianism tends to be aspieish in some ways. Any thoughts? |
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enrico_dandolo
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I have my own views. They don't have a name, but I like to call myself a radical moderate. |
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Declension
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hello and welcome!
I am more green than I am either left or right. What I mean by that is: I think that the primary challenge facing humanity is to avoid global catastrophes and live sustainably. The conversation about how to build a good society is secondary, because it is a conversation which is only worth having when we have a secure future. But underneath my green coat, I am basically centre-left with a few oddball opinions. I believe in economic redistribution and civil liberties. I would probably be called "progressive" in the US, and "social-democratic" in Europe.
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edgewaters
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| enrico_dandolo wrote: | | I have my own views. They don't have a name, but I like to call myself a radical moderate. |
We may be on the same page but it's sort of hard to tell!  |
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zacb
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| To reply about having a sustainable future, if the culture is not willing to budge, then how will you protect the planet? In other words you need to have a responsible society before you can have responsible actions (btw I am not knocking you, I believe we should move towards a more sustainable future. |
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Declension
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| zacb wrote: | | you need to have a responsible society before you can have responsible actions |
The way I see it is: we need to have responsible something. That something might be governments or societies or individuals, and in fact it will have to be a combination of all three.
The point I am trying to make is that, for me, emergencies override all other concerns. For example, even though I am a civil libertarian, I would support a more repressive government if I thought it was the only realistic option to protect the human race from a crisis. And I think that we really are currently in the middle of at least two global emergencies: the spread of nuclear weapons, and climate change. |
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zacb
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Just to be clear I am a free market anarchist, so I was not necessarily saying government, I was just saying an organization (collection of individuals) . And I agree. I guess what I am trying to say is that if the ethos of a society has respect for certain rights (property in this case, in which a factory won't be able t pollute since would obviously harm others property, thus reducing overall pollution) or non-aggression (nuclear arms). But yeah, I think those are important issues of our time. |
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Tequila
Trust the people!
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Location: Lancashire, UK
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Centre-right; national conservatism; classical liberalism; civic nationalism; UK unionism; EU withdrawalism. |
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ecosocialism, civil libertarianism, (moderate) libertarian socialism, democratic socialism (in the Salvador Allende sense, not the Tony Blair sense), multiculturalism, pacifism.
Despite these rather radical views I do believe in trying to work with other parties where possible to accomplish common goals. For instance, although I believe that ultimately socialism will be necessary for an ecologically sustainable economy, in the short term I'd be willing to work with liberals in order bring in a carbon tax and other environmental measures. And I'd cooperate with just about anyone in opposing social conservatism. |
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auntblabby
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:39 am Post subject: |
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moderate radical.  |
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DogsWithoutHorses
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Who doesn't want to legislate away my control over my own body? I like them.
I wish I could move beyond to loftier concerns but as long as my physical well being is threatened I have to consider that before something like the economy can become important.
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auntblabby
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my one concession to [some] right wing sensibilities, is that i believe that uncle sam needs to do away with the restrictions on ownership of high-magazine capacity shotguns/machine guns/military ordnance, let whoever can swing it keep a street sweeper or m16 or tommy gun or even an american 180 locked under the pillow away from the kiddies, all the better to adequately ventilate the home-invading hordes that our corrupt society seems to be overproducing and that our overloaded [in]justice system can't seem to keep a lid on. let anybody who can swing it keep a bazooka in their den or even a wheeled howitzer in their garage, let the local city ordinances do the zoning or restricting. i would keep the $200 transfer fee in place, as gas tax revenues are declining [all those tree-hugging prius drivers] and it would be a useful source of new revenues should my plan ever see the light of mundane reality. let tort law try to keep up with it all. and if all this results in vigilantiism and onrunning blood-feuds, then c'est dommage. 
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there might be a bit of satire in there someplace, i'm not sure. 
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HisDivineMajesty
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I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with any ideology anymore. There are extreme flaws in all of them. In Dutch politics, I've found that all parties have done, in a way, the opposite of what they said they said they'd do.
Fiscal conservatives increased our deficit by damaging the economy and reducing tax income under rising unemployment.
Under economic liberals, the economy stumbled on, sometimes falling into recession.
Social democrats caused social constructs of safety to drop away from the people they said they'd protect.
Under conservative coalitions, the crime rate went up rather than down.
I'm currently writing down my beliefs. These are the core points:
- Core European cultures and shared values should always, in Europe, be held superior to any other culture and enforced in any way necessary.
- All education should be completely secular, and states should never base anything on religion.
- The European Union should be given a choice: reform to something actually helping people, or be abolished.
- Instead of austerity measures, we should have economic measures aimed at improving the long-term economic situation of our countries.
- The state should call on everyone's responsibility for each other. Effective social order is enforced from the bottom up, not from the top down.
- Petitions and referendums should be taken more seriously.
- Rights should be respected until they infringe on other people's rights or our dominant culture.
- No public display of foreign nationalism should be tolerated; I've utterly had it with Turkish flags flown all over the place.
- If people behave stupidly or offensively, society should correct them. If that fails, criminal justice should correct them in any way it can. |
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TM
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| I'm a "brainist" I think that governments and other such organs should operate based on brains, completely disconnected from emotions or empathy. |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Liberal Progressive.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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