Kraichgauer
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | Speaking as a Lutheran, I can tell you that American Lutheranism - which is mostly white, and of north and central European heritage - today has more in common with Lutherans in Africa than we do with our ethnic cousins in Germany and the Scandinavian countries who have mostly lackluster commitment.
So much for religion having roots in race.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
The idea that arrangement of genes can determine the content of thought and belief is absurd. We come to believe what we believe and what we commit to by our experiences. Inherited temperment plays a very minor role. The notion that each "race" had a mind set proper to it is total balderdash.
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That is absolutely correct sir.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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I have traveled a lot in Western Africa, and have seen the aggressive methods of Western missionaries there: Huge billboards saying "If you don't go to [whichever church put up the poster] you will go to hell". Food and medicines handed out to those who let themselves be baptized. It's so ugly it made me cry.
"Lackluster" towards religion is synonymous with "enlightened. If the same amount of money and effort had been spent on EDUCATION in Africa as on christian missions, the situation would have been very different. |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Unspecified wrote: | I have traveled a lot in Western Africa, and have seen the aggressive methods of Western missionaries there: Huge billboards saying "If you don't go to [whichever church put up the poster] you will go to hell". Food and medicines handed out to those who let themselves be baptized. It's so ugly it made me cry.
"Lackluster" towards religion is synonymous with "enlightened. If the same amount of money and effort had been spent on EDUCATION in Africa as on christian missions, the situation would have been very different. |
My pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria before returning to the States, and he indeed had talked about that sort of thing. But that's mostly perpetrated by born again fundies and holy rollers, rather than mainline denominations like Lutherans.
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ephestia
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: A religion for each race, that's the best. |
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| Vexcalibur wrote: | | ephestia wrote: | Never think like an Arab and I never will feel comfortable with their customs, because they are specific to a culture of race. According as a people and their environment, so is his religion.
And this, in my opinion, can never be exported to otrso peoples and environments
Any kind of religion will never be universal.
thats my opinion. |
Define race. |
physical and psychological characteristics that distinguish one population. In this case emphasize the second term.
The mentality of a people, which is inherited from father to son, determines whether a religion will have success with these people.
A religion made by a people distinct from other people may not export their religion to these people, because that religion is adapted to the first village with its system of values and ways of thinking.
I'm talking about people far removed genetically because they live in places far and no hybrids have existed for millennia.
| roronoa79 wrote: | | ephestia wrote: | Never think like an Arab and I never will feel comfortable with their customs, because they are specific to a culture of race. According as a people and their environment, so is his religion.
And this, in my opinion, can never be exported to otrso peoples and environments
Any kind of religion will never be universal.
thats my opinion. |
Because we all know that Islam has never had any members outside of ethnic Arabs.
Because there are 1.62 billion ethnic Arabs in the world.
And no one outside of the Levant ever got into Christianity or Judaism because Europeans want nothing to do with desert people myths. |
I believe that The Malay-Polynesian (I guess you thought in Indonesia) are almost identical to the Arabs, Europeans and Chinese. What's the Difference? Nothing. All societies are organized, have hierarchies, work, behave like
but the primitive races. Why should they abandon the gods of their ancestors and and practice a religion that maybe they do look absurd? |
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naturalplastic
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: A religion for each race, that's the best. |
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| ephestia wrote: | | Vexcalibur wrote: | | ephestia wrote: | Never think like an Arab and I never will feel comfortable with their customs, because they are specific to a culture of race. According as a people and their environment, so is his religion.
And this, in my opinion, can never be exported to otrso peoples and environments
Any kind of religion will never be universal.
thats my opinion. |
Define race. |
physical and psychological characteristics that distinguish one population. In this case emphasize the second term.
The mentality of a people, which is inherited from father to son, determines whether a religion will have success with these people.
A religion made ??by a people distinct from other people may not export their religion to these people, because that religion is adapted to the first village with its system of values ??and ways of thinking.
I'm talking about people far removed genetically because they live in places far and no hybrids have existed for millennia.
| roronoa79 wrote: | | ephestia wrote: | Never think like an Arab and I never will feel comfortable with their customs, because they are specific to a culture of race. According as a people and their environment, so is his religion.
And this, in my opinion, can never be exported to otrso peoples and environments
Any kind of religion will never be universal.
thats my opinion. |
Because we all know that Islam has never had any members outside of ethnic Arabs.
Because there are 1.62 billion ethnic Arabs in the world.
And no one outside of the Levant ever got into Christianity or Judaism because Europeans want nothing to do with desert people myths. |
I believe that The Malay-Polynesian (I guess you thought in Indonesia) are almost identical to the Arabs, Europeans and Chinese. What's the Difference? Nothing. All societies are organized, have hierarchies, work, behave like
but the primitive races. Why should they abandon the gods of their ancestors and and practice a religion that maybe they do look absurd? |
You use the word "race" differently than most modern english speakers. You said "physical AND psychological characteristics", with emphasis on "psychological". Actually I dont think you mean "psychological" so much as "cultural" since people the world over are wired to have more or less the same psychology.
You use "race" more like "ethnic group".
But peoples who differ widely in ethnicity (like Indonesians and arabs) can have the same religion.
But then you abandoned what you said in the OP and are saying that "arabs, europeans, chinese, and malayo-polynesians" are all the same.
Your whole point was that arabs are so different from europeans that they cant have same religion as europeans. So youve totally lost me here. |
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Pyrite
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: A religion for each race, that's the best. |
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| naturalplastic wrote: |
You use the word "race" differently than most modern english speakers. You said "physical AND psychological characteristics", with emphasis on "psychological". Actually I dont think you mean "psychological" so much as "cultural" since people the world over are wired to have more or less the same psychology.
You use "race" more like "ethnic group".
But peoples who differ widely in ethnicity (like Indonesians and arabs) can have the same religion.
But then you abandoned what you said in the OP and are saying that "arabs, europeans, chinese, and malayo-polynesians" are all the same.
Your whole point was that arabs are so different from europeans that they cant have same religion as europeans. So youve totally lost me here. |
Yeah, he lost me there too. The country with the most Muslims in it is Indonesia, and in fact more Muslims live in Asia than in the Middle East. They are "Arab" only to the extent that race is defined to mean NOTHING, beyond religious affiliation.
If that's the case the thread title is meaningless, since you don't consider races separate from religions to begin with (even though that means people can change races can be changed at will, contrary to what the term is generally understood to mean). |
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CSBurks
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:50 am Post subject: Re: A religion for each race, that's the best. |
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| ephestia wrote: | Never think like an Arab and I never will feel comfortable with their customs, because they are specific to a culture of race. According as a people and their environment, so is his religion.
And this, in my opinion, can never be exported to otrso peoples and environments
Any kind of religion will never be universal.
thats my opinion. |
Patently absurd. |
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Mummy_of_Peanut
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| [Thread locked, by mod. Concept of thread is absurd as suggested by several contributors. It's purpose is questionable,] |
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CSBurks
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| I wish. |
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Mummy_of_Peanut
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Had an internet connection blip. Should be locked now. |
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