PenguinMom
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JoeRose,
If you are considering going gluten free the there are some steps I would seriously recommend following.
First: you need to keep a food log for at least two weeks. Document everything that you eat and the times that you eat it along with any symptoms you suspect as being related to food allergy.
Second. You need to make an appointment with a doctor. You need to be tested for Celiac Disease before you give up gluten. This is very important.
Third: keep documenting symptoms. make appointments with an allergist and a gastroenterologist as well as the doctor. They will have longer waiting lists. If the doctors tests negative for celiac then you may have a food allergy or sensitivity, in which case you can skip the gastroenterologist and go straight to the allergist. Keep in the habit of food logging, you may need to go on an eliminatin diet.
Magicka:
You do not want to go head to head on me about this.
1) Not all people have candida. I happen to have it and have been treated for it with diet along with shots and medication.
2) The original poster did not ask about feeding a child, but about finances.
3) When contemplating starting the diet many people are afraid that they will have to give up deserts, my post was hoping to aleviate this fear. Please do not assume I subsist off of nothing but nutella and hard candies.
4) a board certified holistic nutritionist nearly killed my child. Do not offer medical advice if you don't know what you are talking about. A certified neurologist is not a qualified gastroenterologist, and a yoga instructor is not a dietician.
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CrazyCatLord
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| Mackica wrote: | | PenguinMom wrote: | Once you get used to cooking gluten free it's not so expensive.
Yogurt, fruits, eggs, fish, nuts vegetables and rice are all gluten free.
Ice cream, nutella, gummies, and hard candies are good gluten free deserts.
Chocolate is gluten free.
Cook lots of stews and stir fries to start with, they're easy. Once you lose the habit of "bread" you will find more variety in your diet,
Millet, buckhweat, etc are pretty cheap, mix with beans and you've got your protein and carbs in one quick easy meal. |
Wow,almost all the foods you mention are triggers to ADHD and are really harmful for anyone to consume in the long term.
Caffeine,I'd never feed a child that.Theobromine is a toxic addictive chemical found in cacao.
Dairy,which is known to contribute to allergies,mucus buildup,indigestion,headaches in the long term.
Processed foods and sugars are so harmful for those with ADHD,not mention "regular" people.
The SAD (standard American diet) is a poison,my gosh so many are victims of it!  |
You have a point if you replace "dairy" with "homogenized and pasteurized milk". Non-homogenized, raw full fat milk is quite healthy. It contains high levels of conjugated lineolic acid (CLA) as well as whey protein, both of which have been shown to have anti-cancer properties. Raw milk also helps prevent allergies because it keeps the immune system busy and promotes a healthy intestinal flora. This goes even more for fermented dairy products such as cheese, yogurt and curd. Grass-fed cheeses, such as Gouda and Edam, have also been found to have a protective effect against cardiovascular diseases due to their high amount of vitamin K2.
And before somebody claims that casein causes cancer: In the animal studies conducted by Dr. Campbell, which are the basis for this claim, the rats were given aflatoxin (a potent carcinogen) in addition to casein. There are other studies which suggest that casein actually has an antimutagenic effect. Always check out multiple studies and look for shoddy methodology as well as monetary interests. Some dairy-demonizing studies are financed by the soy industry, just like the dairy industry finances studies that demonize soy.
As for theobromine, while this alkaloid is toxic for many non-human mammals, such as cats, dogs and horses, it is completely harmless for humans. Even infants can metabolize theobromine without any adverse effects. It can be slightly addictive in larger amounts, but it is far less addictive than caffeine. If you're looking for an addictive substance in cacao, try anandamide (a cannabinoid similar to the THC in marijuana) or phenylethylamine (an amphetamine). But none of those three chemicals is present in high enough amounts in cacao to give any cause for worry.
PS: As a rule of thumb, if humans have been eating something for millennia, chances are good that it's healthy or at least harmless (or, in case of milk, used to be healthy until we came up with pasteurizing and homogenizing). Unhealthy food items would have been selected against over time. |
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mushroo
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| I, personally, have no health problems from eating dairy or chocolate. (Whereas the results of eating gluten are striking.) |
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Kjas
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| mushroo wrote: | | Orthorexia nervosa = an eating disorder characterized by irrational obsession with food that is "healthy" and "pure." |
Can you please not throw around terms you don't understand and have no professional experience in? It's not helpful at all.
Everyone reacts differently to food, something that can be good for one person can often be harmful to another.
Just because you don't react to it does not mean it is all in her head.
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mushroo
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Kjas wrote: | | mushroo wrote: | | Orthorexia nervosa = an eating disorder characterized by irrational obsession with food that is "healthy" and "pure." |
Can you please not throw around terms you don't understand... |
That's insulting and uncalled for.  My comments were not aimed at you in any way Kjas, there is no need to get defensive or call me stupid.
I stand by my advice, repeated now for the 4th time in this thread: see your doctor before self-diagnosing an allergy or making drastic and restrictive changes to your diet! There are quacks on the internet who will tell you everything good is actually bad for you and we should all subsist on a very restricted short-list of "pure" foods; this is a mental illness. I have direct personal experience with this eating disorder (it is especially appealing to the aspie-type personality) and I understood exactly what I was talking about when I gave the warning, trying to steer others from making the same mistake I did. |
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Kjas
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:44 am Post subject: |
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If you're going to quote me, at least include the entire quote and note the words professional experience were in there.
I'm speaking as a psychologist who specializing in eating disorders.
It's not an insult, it was a request, that unless you are trained in what eating disorders look like and how they present, nobody should be bringing it up, certainly not because somebody made one post on the matter.
(as opposed to multiple posts on a subject they are obsessed with and clouds their perception of reality, which then it would have been valid to bring up)
Yes see a doctor, yes don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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mushroo
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| Kjas wrote: | If you're going to quote me, at least include the entire quote and note the words professional experience were in there.
I'm speaking as a psychologist who specializing in eating disorders.
It's not an insult, it was a request, that unless you are trained in what eating disorders look like and how they present, nobody should be bringing it up, certainly not because somebody made one post on the matter.
(as opposed to multiple posts on a subject they are obsessed with and clouds their perception of reality, which then it would have been valid to bring up)
Yes see a doctor, yes don't believe everything you read on the internet. |
I confess, I am not a psychologist who specializes in eating disorders (just an interested layperson). However, I decline your request to impose a new community standard for participation in wrongplanet forums, which is apparently that only medical experts are allowed to share their opinions and laypeople are excluded from the conversation. |
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Kjas
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| mushroo wrote: | | I confess, I am not a psychologist who specializes in eating disorders (just an interested layperson). However, I decline your request to impose a new community standard for participation in wrongplanet forums, which is apparently that only medical experts are allowed to share their opinions and laypeople are excluded from the conversation. |
You do not know enough about a person from one post to be suggesting it! That is the issue I have with it.
I am simply asking that you take it seriously, and do not make light of something that is a serious thing, especially since we have very little information to go off.
If the poster in question had been posting multiple posts like this over a period of time, then I can understand why you would bring it up as an option. But without that background it isn't called for.
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mushroo
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kjas wrote: | | mushroo wrote: | | I confess, I am not a psychologist who specializes in eating disorders (just an interested layperson). However, I decline your request to impose a new community standard for participation in wrongplanet forums, which is apparently that only medical experts are allowed to share their opinions and laypeople are excluded from the conversation. |
You do not know enough about a person from one post to be suggesting it! That is the issue I have with it.
I am simply asking that you take it seriously, and do not make light of something that is a serious thing, especially since we have very little information to go off.
If the poster in question had been posting multiple posts like this over a period of time, then I can understand why you would bring it up as an option. But without that background it isn't called for. |
I want to make one thing abundantly clear: at no point did I ever attempt to diagnose the OP JoeRose with orthorexia! You are misreading my posts if you think that was my intent.
Rather, my statement was meant as a warning: "don't make the same mistake I did." When I was in college, "healthy eating" became one of my aspie "special interests." I became obsessed with categorizing and systemizing the properties of foodstuffs, my diet became extremely restricted (I went from vegan to raw vegan to fruitarian to sproutarian), my weight yo-yo'd, my physical & mental health declined, I became socially isolated because I was afraid to eat food cooked by other people! Now that my doctor has identified the one food that was causing all my problems, I can relax, eat a well-rounded diet (minus the one problematic food), and live my life without fear. If I am diagnosing anyone in this thread, it is myself (at age 20), and I believe I have that prerogative.
Unfortunately the OP hasn't been back, so I only have his 1 post on which to base this discussion... I agree it would be good if we had some follow-up from JoeRose (hopefully starting with "I saw my doctor and...") to steer this discussion back in a positive direction. |
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