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snapcap
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject:

Kraichgauer wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Maybe it's not a big problem yet. Maybe both parties like to have "insurance".

How many fraudulent votes would it take for you to change your mind? 1 million? 5 million? 10 million? What if the number of fraudulent votes was greater than the number of people that wouldn't be able to vote because they couldn't identify themselves?

What about your union elections? Do you feel bad that they require an ID to vote in?

A union election is not the same as a local or federal election, which is a right given to all Americans. A union election is limited to actual members.
As for voter fraud in the millions - that has never happened, and doubtlessly never will.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You would hope that the people voting in US elections are actual members of the union, but if it isn't a big issue I can see the reason to overlook it. It could be a bigger issue someday, and it has been shown how easily you can do it.

A lot of state it could be done in too

I don't see how you can say an ID for voting in a union election is acceptable while needing one for a general election isn't.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

Kraichgauer wrote:

snapcap wrote:

It is the "same" but with a bigger pool of voters. You have to be an American citizen that has not been convicted of a felony and is still alive, among other requirements. That's a select group within the U.S., even more select than workers at a company voting to unionize.

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject:

snapcap wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

snapcap wrote:

I don't see how you can say an ID for voting in a union election is acceptable while needing one for a general election isn't.

Again, a union is a private organization, whereas voting in a local or national election is a right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject:

American wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Plenty of people who had tried to commit voter fraud had been prevented from voting by poll workers. As I've said, my Mom had been working at the polls, and she and the others had caught some characters trying to vote when they weren't supposed to.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Again, a union is a private organization, whereas voting in a local or national election is a right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It's a responsibility too.

But if it's not really a problem, then I don't see why it should be acted on. The day may come. I actually thought there was more voter fraud cases, involving people voting under other people's identities, deceased people, voting in multiple states they are registered too, and illegals than there actually are. There might be more fraud and tampering by the organizers themselves.

I don't know why the government doesn't just give out ID's to people that can't afford them in the states that require them.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject:

snapcap wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Again, a union is a private organization, whereas voting in a local or national election is a right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That last is actually a very good idea. In my own state of Washington, each voter is supplied with a voters registration card.
The reason why it is being acted on is because many of us believe it's a means of suppressing the vote among the poor, disabled, racial and religious minorities, the young and the very old, and others who more often than not would vote for liberal candidates and causes. The fact that the most draconian of these laws are being enacted in states with reactionary right wing governors and state legislatures speaks volumes.
And by the way - - I never said no one had ever committed voter fraud by using the names of the dead, voting in multiple polling stations, and what not. It's just that such cases are not nearly as numerous as champions of I.D. laws insist they are. And they are hardly limied to a single party.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:29 am Post subject:

Here's a party that I feel supports my views, although not from my country.

Pirate Party Wins Again

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With 8.2% of the votes, the pirates take six out of the 69 seats. This causes problems for the existing coalition in Schleswig-Holstein, as a new constellation is needed.

Pirate Party Wiki

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The party supports the preservation of current civil rights in telephony and on the Internet; in particular, it opposes the European data retention policies.

The party favors the civil right to information privacy and reforms of copyright, education, genetic patents and drug policy.
It promotes in particular an enhanced transparency of government by implementing open source governance and providing for APIs to allow for electronic inspection and monitoring of government operations by the citizen

I've heard of them before, but i never really paid attention to them. I thought they some sort of parody, but now I guess I'll have to look them up a little more.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject:

I live in Quebec. All parties are silly, both at the federal and provincial levels. Therefore, I vote for the silliest every time. I voted a few times for the Communists or the Marxist-Leninists, but I hope I will get a Christian Heritage candidate some day.

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject:

enrico_dandolo wrote:

I live in Quebec.

All parties are silly, both at the federal and provincial levels. Therefore, I vote for the silliest every time. I voted a few times for the Communists or the Marxist-Leninists, but I hope I will get a Christian Heritage candidate some day.

Frankly I love how Quebeckers tend to vote. Quebec doesn't seem to give any party the time of day, it makes them all come crawling, and it isn't afraid to punish them for misbehaviour - there's little "I have always voted this way" rigidity. I think it's the only voting bloc in North America that actually gets what democracy is supposed to be about.

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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:48 am Post subject:

The pirate party germany has not much content. I think data security in the Internet is important, and many older parties are incompetent on this topic. But on important topics like foreign or financially policy the pirate party is very incompetent. I'm interested in strange and unimportant parties (but I don't want to vote strange parties). For example in France is a party which support a monarchy, or in Germany are two fun parties. But I don't know enough about foreign parties that I could support them, but if I would live in the USA I would rather support the democrats than the republicans.

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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject:

Aelfwine wrote:

The pirate party germany has not much content.
I think data security in the Internet is important, and many older parties are incompetent on this topic.
But on important topics like foreign or financially policy the pirate party is very incompetent.
I'm interested in strange and unimportant parties (but I don't want to vote strange parties).
For example in France is a party which support a monarchy, or in Germany are two fun parties.

But I don't know enough about foreign parties that I could support them, but if I would live in the USA I would rather support the democrats than the republicans.

I try not to support either. There's no way I'm choosing over a douche bag and a sh** sandwich. I'm looking for champagne.
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