GorillaPete
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| Hi Nettiespaghetti, I have made exactly the same discovery this week when reading "Solutions for Adults with Asperger Syndrome". I too have always thought that I read people correctly. Reading the text has really made me doubt that I was right and I probably wasn't, all my life. I wonder if it's going to help me to know this or perhaps it will make things more difficult. What's your experience so far? |
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2ukenkerl
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| LostInSpace wrote: | | 2ukenkerl wrote: | | Biogeek wrote: | | I've always found the shy gorilla description to fit me perfectly except for one thing--the IQ. I certainly don't have an IQ in the 160's. |
Even most HERE, myself included, don't have one THAT high. |
Given that the most commonly used IQ tests, the Wechsler series, only go up to 160 and have a ceiling in the 140s (i.e. technically the maximum score is 160 but in practice people don't score above the 140s even if they score higher on other tests with higher ceilings), few people do. You'd have to be given a Stanford-Binet (or some other less frequently used test) to get a score that high. |
Still, there has to be data to go up that high at some age, and people rarely have their IQ tested every year. Also, some claim to have far higher IQs.
I was just making a true statement in support. Then again, so many seem BELOW average that one would think that being notably above average would dispell most depression in that area. |
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CryojenX
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| Old thread i know. But this sounds just like me. The majority of humanity will stab you in the back eventually, ive been there. I dont want to feel this way, but it keeps getting reinforced thru my life experiences. |
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Bunders
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I find that people generally are willing to push me to give more than I would want to and then take an "I'm alright jack" attitude when it becomes evident that in helping them I've burned myself. Every time this happens I berate myself for not trusting my instincts and I "know" that the person I'm dealing with was as aware of the potential consequences as I was and that they "chose" to downplay those consequences in order to manipulate me. Rationally I know this is unlikely to be the case for if mine were a common experience it would be prevalent in literature and not just in the UFO conspiracy circles. I'm 32 years old now and this incongruity has perplexed me since my early childhood. It's been a source of such bafflement that I tend to take the view that it's easier just to avoid having to deal with anyone or rely on anyone but myself. That self reliance may be the only workable solution is intensely annoying because I (think that I?) can see other people in the world managing to rely on each other just fine and I've no idea how they do it.
I wonder if the supposed increased prevalence of ASD/Aspergers in todays society isn't symptomatic of societies square hole getting rounder and fewer people fitting in. I'm thinking of this remarkable TED Talk mainly (too new for links: ted (dot) com then search for "Ken Robinson says schools kill creativity" it's worth a watch I promise.)
I remember my parents endlessly and mercilessly bullying me about my paying no attention at school or my body running around their world while my mind ran around in it's own. I can still remember how it felt but when I cast my mind back I can't see what was so overwhelming about it all. By which I mean to say that they weren't really bullying me at all, that's just how it felt at the time. My sister seems quite normal and while she recalls that it wasn't a perfect childhood she makes a persuasive argument that others less fortunate than ourselves have turned out pretty much as society expets but all I feel when I think of it is the same anquish I felt back then. It doesn't even bother me anymore I'm really just curious as to how other people seem to be able to "just let it go" and I can barely even understand what that means.
I did test with a high IQ (120+ by a shrink assessing me for dyslexia aged 18, 150+ on an online DIY IQ Quiz when I was 15) in my youth but since then I've been an alcoholic for about six years, taken every psychoactive substance I've had occasion to (Psychopharmacology became an obsession after hearing (as a 10 year old) someone say of the psilocybe mushroom family "They make you see things that aren't there") This paradox became an obsession and of the myriad psychoactive substances I've sampled I know at least a few are proven to be neurotoxic at some dose and, I believe, some at any dose. I've also suffered a stroke since then which cost me my driving license. Keep off them drugs kids!
Working on the assumption that I fit the description in the article posted then what frightens me is the suggestion that I'm more often wrong than right about my assumptions about other peoples motives. I never counted it as a strength but to go from that to the idea that I'm significantly wrong on 80% of occasions is unsettling.
Anyway, I hope I've not missed the point of this thread or bored you all to tears.
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Rascal77s
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I found the "Shy Gorilla" very interesting for obvious reasons. |
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Dan_Undiagnosed
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:39 am Post subject: Re: The "Shy Gorillas" |
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| nettiespaghetti wrote: | | These symptoms are the same as those of the autistic spectrum disorders, and many clinicians who are familiar with autistic spectrum disorders believe that eventually this diagnostic category will be folded into AS. |
Wow, that's interesting! |
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Rascal77s
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| nettiespaghetti wrote: | | Anniemaniac wrote: | | This article sounds like just another way of describing Social Phobia. I suffer from severe SP and I saw myself in this a lot for that reason. |
Yes, sounds much like that. I'm not sure exactly why they didn't use that term, maybe it's just because their first diagnosis is AS, and these other symptoms are alot like social phobia but not exactly, and alot like schizoid personality disorder but not quite...*shrugs* |
Social phobia and AS are not mutually exclusive and are often diagnosed together. |
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They're assuming waaaay too much about what's going on in those gorillas' heads.
And I'm not from the, "You're the way you are because you're just so smart and gifted," school of thought.
Screw that nonsense.
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I disagree with the name "shy gorilla." How insulting! Why is it people have to come up with disparaging names for others when they do their thinking?
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | I disagree with the name "shy gorilla." How insulting! Why is it people have to come up with disparaging names for others when they do their thinking? |
I kinda like it. |
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| Rascal77s wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | I disagree with the name "shy gorilla." How insulting! Why is it people have to come up with disparaging names for others when they do their thinking? |
I kinda like it. |
I am glad you approve.
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| Part of me likes the idea of laying around in a forest eating vegetation, having fur and not wearing human clothes, taking naps, being incredibly strong and swinging around. I am sure there are down sides too, like social hierarchy, but I like the idea. |
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Rascal77s
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Rascal77s wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | I disagree with the name "shy gorilla." How insulting! Why is it people have to come up with disparaging names for others when they do their thinking? |
I kinda like it. |
I am glad you approve. |
I'm not sure why you think it's derogatory. It may be generational or cultural. In my mind the comparison is more to "Gorillas in the Mist" than 'you're an animal' (which we technically all are). |
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| Rascal77s wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Rascal77s wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | I disagree with the name "shy gorilla." How insulting! Why is it people have to come up with disparaging names for others when they do their thinking? |
I kinda like it. |
I am glad you approve. |
I'm not sure why you think it's derogatory. It may be generational or cultural. In my mind the comparison is more to "Gorillas in the Mist" than 'you're an animal' (which we technically all are). |
I like gorillas but society, generally, uses the term "gorilla" in a derogatory way when using it to describe someone. Being compared to a gorilla, in itself, isn't insulting to me but I know when most people hear the term applied to humans, they think negative things.
Why not just say what we are? Shy people?
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Rascal77s
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| ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Rascal77s wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Rascal77s wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | I disagree with the name "shy gorilla." How insulting! Why is it people have to come up with disparaging names for others when they do their thinking? |
I kinda like it. |
I am glad you approve. |
I'm not sure why you think it's derogatory. It may be generational or cultural. In my mind the comparison is more to "Gorillas in the Mist" than 'you're an animal' (which we technically all are). |
I like gorillas but society, generally, uses the term "gorilla" in a derogatory way when using it to describe someone. Being compared to a gorilla, in itself, isn't insulting to me but I know when most people hear the term applied to humans, they think negative things.
Why not just say what we are? Shy people? |
| Quote: | | Dr. Ratey has characterized them as "shy gorillas" as a way of acknolwedging their extreme need for remoteness and privacy. |
I don't think it was meant as 'subhuman' in this case. |
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