iggy64
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| nostromo wrote: | To my mind the type of Autism my son has is a neurological disorder, presumably as a result of a difference in the way the mechanisms of the brain works. For him it means he cannot talk, is mentally retarded and is in a diaper at age 5 with no end in site. From where I'm sitting Autism is less of a difference and more of a major difficulty without much to redeem it.
If some drug is developed that can help him learn I would welcome that although I would be very cautious about it until it was proven, I am not desperate to 'cure' him (and the term cure itself I wouldn't use at all). |
If you were asking me, THIS is what the 'cure' would be helping - young kids who aren't high functioning enough to take care of their own bodily functions, and given the opportunity to suffer less from their traits so they can function in an everyday environment, at least to some extent, would be amazing for them. Some people with less severe autism, like aspergers don't have to take it obviously, but it might help some people who struggle a lot as well. As with any medicine development, there will always be people for, and people against it.
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ruveyn
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You don't know that nor does anyone so y'all should stop assuming things. The scientists who are working on it are very optimistic and it sounds promising if there was something to cure autism and all that's on the spectrum e.g aspergers it would probably be optional so why are you complaining? Just don't take it but for guys and girls who hate havin it and want to be neurotypical why not? Anyway none of you know more than the scientists so dont go assuming a cure is just for pre birth just because you don't want a cure |
I do not think there is a cure short of selective breeding or genetic modification. Autism is in our genes either directly or epigenetically. Like cystic fibrosis.
The 1 % has been with us since homo sapien appeared on earth.
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jcohen
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| OliveOilMom wrote: | | Xenu wrote: | | Delphiki wrote: | | Who says you need to take it? If are going to go with the x-men analogy some took the cure, but (I think) most didn't |
Did you even read what I wrote? I wouldn't take it. But the people who would I honestly don't even think should have been born if they are willing to change themselves into a different person. The quirks and traits we have because of it aren't flaws or a disease! It's a part of who we are and if we were "cured" we would be a different person. How do you think people would react if a "cure" for being gay was found?
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AS causes problems for some people, even when other people and their actions aren't involved. It's taken me a long time to learn to deal witth mine and to learn to try and respond in a normal manner and not overreact, and I like responding normally and not overreacting. I like being able to talk to people. I like being able to speak up, make eye contact, etc. Yes, I learned that on my own but there are some people who can't and who wan't to experience the fullness of life but can't because of their AS.
I suppose you may think that I should never have been born because I've learned to deal with my AS and act normally. Thinking that those who want a cure shouldn't have been born is pretty crazy. You may be proud of your AS and happy to have it and that's great, but it's not up to you to decide that everyone must feel as you do. I'm fine with people not wanting a cure, but if there was one available I'd take it no matter what you or anyone else thinks.
It's hypocritical to say that those who would want a cure should't have been born. You would be furious if somebody said those with AS shouldn't have been born because they don't act and think like NT's, yet you have no problem saying that some people with AS shouldn't have been born because they don't act or think like you.
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Seriously cannot agree with this guy more. Reuven, Yes it would obviously be impossible at the moment because we don't know what really causes autism. But there are huge breakthroughs in finding out what causes autism and finding ways to reduce the symptoms. Genetic modification? have you not read about what they are working on. They are finding out the genes and DNA that causes autism once they have that which i bet in 10 years at the speed this generation is moving at they can target that and maybe look for the other causes and who knows maybe not now, but in 10-20 years maybe they will have a cure would that be a bad thing? as long as it's optional i don't know why it wouldn't be a miracle. |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| jcohen wrote: | | OliveOilMom wrote: | | Xenu wrote: | | Delphiki wrote: | | Who says you need to take it? If are going to go with the x-men analogy some took the cure, but (I think) most didn't |
Did you even read what I wrote? I wouldn't take it. But the people who would I honestly don't even think should have been born if they are willing to change themselves into a different person. The quirks and traits we have because of it aren't flaws or a disease! It's a part of who we are and if we were "cured" we would be a different person. How do you think people would react if a "cure" for being gay was found?
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AS causes problems for some people, even when other people and their actions aren't involved. It's taken me a long time to learn to deal witth mine and to learn to try and respond in a normal manner and not overreact, and I like responding normally and not overreacting. I like being able to talk to people. I like being able to speak up, make eye contact, etc. Yes, I learned that on my own but there are some people who can't and who wan't to experience the fullness of life but can't because of their AS.
I suppose you may think that I should never have been born because I've learned to deal with my AS and act normally. Thinking that those who want a cure shouldn't have been born is pretty crazy. You may be proud of your AS and happy to have it and that's great, but it's not up to you to decide that everyone must feel as you do. I'm fine with people not wanting a cure, but if there was one available I'd take it no matter what you or anyone else thinks.
It's hypocritical to say that those who would want a cure should't have been born. You would be furious if somebody said those with AS shouldn't have been born because they don't act and think like NT's, yet you have no problem saying that some people with AS shouldn't have been born because they don't act or think like you.
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Seriously cannot agree with this guy more. Reuven, Yes it would obviously be impossible at the moment because we don't know what really causes autism. But there are huge breakthroughs in finding out what causes autism and finding ways to reduce the symptoms. Genetic modification? have you not read about what they are working on. They are finding out the genes and DNA that causes autism once they have that which i bet in 10 years at the speed this generation is moving at they can target that and maybe look for the other causes and who knows maybe not now, but in 10-20 years maybe they will have a cure would that be a bad thing? as long as it's optional i don't know why it wouldn't be a miracle. |
In ten or twenty years, I'll be in my fifties or sixties, much too late to enjoy the benefits of such a cure - if I even wanted to take it - and Ruveyn will be dead.
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ruveyn
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| Kraichgauer wrote: |
In ten or twenty years, I'll be in my fifties or sixties, much too late to enjoy the benefits of such a cure - if I even wanted to take it - and Ruveyn will be dead.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Would you like to bet?
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Kraichgauer
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: |
In ten or twenty years, I'll be in my fifties or sixties, much too late to enjoy the benefits of such a cure - if I even wanted to take it - and Ruveyn will be dead.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Would you like to bet?
ruveyn |
Okay, you're too cankerous to die.
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jojobean
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: |
In ten or twenty years, I'll be in my fifties or sixties, much too late to enjoy the benefits of such a cure - if I even wanted to take it - and Ruveyn will be dead.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Would you like to bet?
ruveyn |
 only the good die young, and if that is the case Ruveyn will outlive us all. 
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Blownmind
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| jojobean wrote: | | only the good die young, and if that is the case Ruveyn will outlive us all. |
"Only those who die young are considered 'good'."
..there, fixed. 
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AnnettaMarie
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I would take it, if it worked.
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