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Hi. Am I actually an Aspie, or just really similar to one?
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Erminetheawkward
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: Hi. Am I actually an Aspie, or just really similar to one? Reply with quote

Hi everyone. Nice little community you've got here.

Background information:

In the last few weeks I've been meeting with a therapist trying to face my social issues head on. He believes I have Asperger's. It makes sense for me but it doesn't. I've been reading personal accounts of other aspies, and looking them up on Youtube. The general trend is I either relate completely or not much at all. Odd, huh? To muddle the situation further, I also have a history of autism in the family. My sister has classic autism, and I'm 90% sure my cousin and grandpa on my dad's side have Asperger's. I've also read that family members of those on the spectrum tend to have similar traits, though not to a clinical level. That would include shyness, great intellectual abilities, visual thinking, etc. all of which apply for me.

Here is the DSM-IV description of Asperger's.

(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity
(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

(IV) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)

(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

(VI) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.

I'd say I qualify for the first category. I'm not very good at reading non-verbal communication until after the fact when I have time to think about it. I generally get sarcasm though. I'm terrible at developing close relationships beyond family and roommates (you kind of have to be close to someone when you live with them). I don't have empathy (or the ability to express it), I'm not good at sharing my inner world with others. It takes me forever to know what to say in a conversation. I'd say it's to a point where it's interfering with my quality of life.

The main disparity for me is the second category. I somewhat qualify for A. I taught myself how to read when I was 3 and did almost nothing but read for the next couple years. My parents had to force me to do anything else. But I haven't been that obsessive about anything since. I do have great powers of concentration when working on a project I care about though. I don't really relate to the rest. I don't get upset when my routine is changed. I don't have any stimming habits either.

I also don't experience sensory issues to the same level as the aspies I've met/read about. I can get disoriented in noisy crowds. After a while I start perceiving people's voices as noise and vice versa. I also have a good ear for music (I have almost perfect pitch). But I'm not bothered by certain textures, fluorescent lights, etc.

I guess either way it doesn't matter much since my personality is the same either way, but it's still nice knowing how to describe yourself.

What do you all think? Aspie or highly introverted with some idosyncracies and autistic family members?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

El mismo aqui

The same here

Many similar traits but not to the level of stims and other Aspie conditions.

I am highly empathetic but hardly ever sympathetic

I believe a diagnosis is moot at this point but I can understand the need to find reasons for some of our "abnormalities".

I do not see "abnormality" as a bad thing but my desire to understand and the similarities I related to also had me asking that question.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be more sympathetic than I realize, but I feel I would be a terrible nurse or caretaker.

Partially because of uncontrollable empathetic reactions.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to WP. I'm gonna plagiarise one of the aspies on WP. She wrote, "If you've met one aspie, you've met one aspie." Yeah, there is no "model" aspie. Adam is different than Rain Man, Snow Cake mom is different than Max, and the aspie kid downstairs is nothing like me. Some aspies can easily walk outside in the sunlight. You'd see nothing but tears streaming down my face because sunlight is just too intense. Aspies go to weekly meetup groups all over to socialize. You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming to one. It's just not gonna happen.

There's an ever growing thread here on WP that asks if people here are cliquish. They're not because WP isn't just for spectrumites. It's for anyone.

So, R U aspie or highly introverted with some idiosyncracies? There are a few aspie quizzes on the internet. The most popular one is the Baron Cohen one with the piechart graph you can print out.

I was just curious - have you ever looked at any of the following people and thought, "Hey, that can be me!?

Dr. Spencer Reid, Mr. Spock, Alex, Penelope Garcia from Criminal Minds (I'm not saying she's aspie. I was kinda referring to her nerdy, wears what she wants look).
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. I don't have every one of the traits either, but AS still makes sense to me as a (self-)diagnosis.

IMO, if it helps you make sense of yourself and how you relate to the world, that's enough. I agree with redrobin62--one of the self-tests may be helpful:

Baron-Cohen AQ test

Aspie Quiz

Those are the two I took. There are others.

Autism is a "spectrum" condition for a reason--there are different levels of manifestation. Even with Asperger's, which (for now) is defined fairly specifically, there are many variations.

In either case, you are welcome here. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well ... I don't know whether I am or not and I refuse to self-diagnose on philosophical grounds (although I think it's very likely), but, whether I am or not, I relate well to some of the people here and that's all that really matters. AS is just a label, a wide net that is cast to catch and possibly help with a group of impairments. I can use the idea to help me understand some of my problems without ever adopting the label - I don't actually see why I would, except to access services, job accomodations, etc. It can't define me. It might provide some insight but I don't find labels useful.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My philosophy with this forum is that whether or not you have AS you can still learn from others on here and seek help on any problems or difficulties you have. Your own opinion can also be greatly appreciated in an attempt to help others and contribute to the knowledge we all have about this wrong planet.
Do you have AS or not, it doesn't matter especially if you can learn something helpfull.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@edgewaters re: "I don't find labels useful".

I quit my job 3 months ago because they abruptly changed my schedule. There were other issues but that was the main one. I spoke to Unemployment Insurance and told them I have Asperger's and abrupt changes of schedule is symptomatic of our condition because it unnerves us. Guess what? Quitting to qualify doesn't fly, but quitting because of my condition - our condition - was good enough for UI. The "label" in my case was extremely useful.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your Aspie score: 85 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits

And a score of 29 from the other test mentioned.

Generally borderline in all the tests I've taken. It's hard to know what to do from this point as I'm not quite debilitated but I definitely feel like I'm from another planet... I doubt it's just a matter of adapting to everyone else. There's more to it.

@redrobin
Yes, I definitely relate to Spock, or more accurately a mixture of Spock and Data. I don't get typical people but I still want to understand them.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erminetheawkward wrote:
Your Aspie score: 85 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits

And a score of 29 from the other test mentioned.

Generally borderline in all the tests I've taken. It's hard to know what to do from this point as I'm not quite debilitated but I definitely feel like I'm from another planet... I doubt it's just a matter of adapting to everyone else. There's more to it.

@redrobin
Yes, I definitely relate to Spock, or more accurately a mixture of Spock and Data. I don't get typical people but I still want to understand them.

Welcome to Wrong Planet! It's also possible you fall under what's known as the Broad Autism Pheonotype:
http://autism.about.com/od/autismterms/g/phenotype.htm

This means that you have a good number of traits associated with Autism, but not enough to qualify for a diagnosis. In either case, this is a good forum--I hope you enjoy it here as much as I do. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redrobin62 wrote:
@edgewaters re: "I don't find labels useful".

I quit my job 3 months ago because they abruptly changed my schedule. There were other issues but that was the main one. I spoke to Unemployment Insurance and told them I have Asperger's and abrupt changes of schedule is symptomatic of our condition because it unnerves us. Guess what? Quitting to qualify doesn't fly, but quitting because of my condition - our condition - was good enough for UI. The "label" in my case was extremely useful.


Well, yeah. To access services and job accomodations and stuff like that, it probably is. But I don't find it useful as a description of me, I guess is what I'm saying. At most it describes a few facets of me but I'm not some list of symptoms.
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