Howdy_Neighbor
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| bjtao wrote: | | The Calumet City PD was the first in IL to receive special training on how to deal with people with Autism. They were specifically taught that even if the person is armed to use non-lethal tactics. Most parents of children and professionals know that when an Autistic person is in a rage you clear the area and isolate the person rather than attempt to subdue them. You get everyone out to keep everyone safe and deal with the situation from the outside. The child had been tasered before and could have been tasered this time. |
As for the taser part, I do agree, or at least hoped the kid could have gotten something that hurt rather than actually killed him. |
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Howdy_Neighbor
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| Dreamslost wrote: | Even though aspies may not have meltdowns very much, we do have them and sadly i do not remember what i did in all of them for time periods and so i do all i can to avoid situations that caused the really bad ones but a haze is a good analogy, or literally seeing red for me. in some ways its just as scary to myself too. I will say its been many years since the ones i went ttally nuts as it were, fortunately was with friends though because did not know what problem with myself was, many did not stay friends long. In the process of dealing with myself i learned how to help others in same situation and what weapon they pick up is irrelavant most really are not dangerous as much as frustrated and the way i would deal with a boy like that is just talk, if he tried to attack i would either avoid or disarm, and more then likely it would not happen at all. i might dash to a bathroom to pee after though.. Bottom line is with aspie or autistic going in armed with taser or gun is wrong and unnecessary period and i think that police department needs re-education and made to see how wrong their actions were. I thik a good lesson for them is how english law enforcement works with no guns because some situations its better to keep the guns away and not a use guns
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I understand what you are saying, although I do find that sometimes I just have to tell someone that the current situation is making me feel a little stressed out. It's nowhere near as bad as back when I was say, 10 or 11, but at times I just struggle not to do something stupid out of feeling frustrated with what is going on, and at least in that part, I can say that I've won to a great extent. But even if I should go a little bad, I could understand where something non-lethal being used on me would at least stop me in my tracks, and while yes, it would hurt, at least 1) I wouldn't be dead, and 2) It would also simply prevent me from seriously hurting other people.
I would wonder as well what kind of care was on this kid? A kid that is somewhat free to wander around is bound to get into trouble whether or not they are on the autistic spectrum. |
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Sparkstorm
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I am definitely signing that petition. It seems that he was experiencing the metaphorical "red mist" I get a similar thing when I'm angry, although admittedly, when I feel it building I make sure I don't have a weapon to hand. Anyway, what kind of idiot aims for the head when there are plenty of non-lethal targets that would render the attack at least difficult.
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Rainy
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| Quote: | | Anyway, what kind of idiot aims for the head when there are plenty of non-lethal targets that would render the attack at least difficult. |
...Damn you Hollywood. |
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QueenoftheOwls
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: 15-year-old Autistic Youth Shot by Police |
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| I don't think it was right for the cops to have used lethal force, but I would not let the family off the hook. I don't know of any legitimate "treatment plan" that involves calling the cops every time there is a disciplinary problem with your kid. The cops aren't babysitters nor are they teachers or therapists. The parents could not deal with their son so rather than get him the help he needed, or teach themselves how to deal with him, they relied on police intervention. This happened repeatedly; it wasn't just an isolated instance. When you keep calling in the cops, you are playing with fire. The police are accustomed to dealing with persons having criminal intent, not autistic kids having meltdowns, and they react like police not like therapists. Even if the police had been able to restrain the boy and take the knife from him, they would have released him back to his parents and sooner or later another incident would have occurred with the same same potential for a dangerous outcome. Sorry, but I think those parents were negligent in letting this pattern develop. |
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ChewbackaGrizelda
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: What. The.... |
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What would EVER possess parents to get the POLICE involved in their child's "behavioral plan" TO BEGIN WITH??????????
It was a simple matter of a kid on the Spectrum acting on his anal-retentive (I mean that in the clinical sense only) tendencies while trying to get at the computer that had been removed from him. Autism DOES that. What kind of "parents" do those people think they are, getting LAW ENFORCEMENT involved in the first place?!
How would any of YOU feel if the cops were called when you were a teenager and all you were doing was acting on the impulses you were born with, that really were NOT under your own control?!
Police do NOT exist to act like some sort of instant "behavior killer." That isn't even their purpose. Their purpose is to come out and try make sure no laws are being broken. Sorry, but an Autistic Teen having a MELT DOWN is NOT breaking the law: it's an Autistic Teen BEING an Autistic Teen.
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OrangeCloud
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| I would have thought that a trained police officer should be able to restrain a 15 year old with a butter knife without a gun or taser or anything. I reckon I could do it, why can't they? This all smells a bit wrong. |
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Joceyorin
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: T.T |
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Why would you kill someone, especially if the wound was just an abrasion, and it could be healed? Nobody deserves to die, to end their life abruptly. Not one police should have raised there hand. Those police deserve death sentence.
I'm crying very much now. That poor kid, never understood by his family, or anyone.
RIP Stephon Watts. May your soul be in a happier place, I hope. |
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Rainy
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| OrangeCloud wrote: | | I would have thought that a trained police officer should be able to restrain a 15 year old with a butter knife without a gun or taser or anything. I reckon I could do it, why can't they? This all smells a bit wrong. |
That's because you've been watching way too many hollywood movies. |
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Oodain
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| Rainy wrote: | | OrangeCloud wrote: | | I would have thought that a trained police officer should be able to restrain a 15 year old with a butter knife without a gun or taser or anything. I reckon I could do it, why can't they? This all smells a bit wrong. |
That's because you've been watching way too many hollywood movies. |
or the cop was an utter idiot with cowardly tendencies, i have seen cops call for backup to deal with cats and squirrels and cops are actively selected to have a limited iq in the first place.
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Rainy
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Only an idiot would think a guy trying to stab you isn't dangerous. |
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Delphiki
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| Oodain wrote: | | Rainy wrote: | | OrangeCloud wrote: | | I would have thought that a trained police officer should be able to restrain a 15 year old with a butter knife without a gun or taser or anything. I reckon I could do it, why can't they? This all smells a bit wrong. |
That's because you've been watching way too many hollywood movies. |
or the cop was an utter idiot with cowardly tendencies, i have seen cops call for backup to deal with cats and squirrels and cops are actively selected to have a limited iq in the first place. |
Really? It is one thing to say cops have a limited iq in the first place (which I would probably still have an issue with), but you said actively selected, it is hard for me to believe that
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Oodain
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| Delphiki wrote: | | Oodain wrote: | | Rainy wrote: | | OrangeCloud wrote: | | I would have thought that a trained police officer should be able to restrain a 15 year old with a butter knife without a gun or taser or anything. I reckon I could do it, why can't they? This all smells a bit wrong. |
That's because you've been watching way too many hollywood movies. |
or the cop was an utter idiot with cowardly tendencies, i have seen cops call for backup to deal with cats and squirrels and cops are actively selected to have a limited iq in the first place. |
Really? It is one thing to say cops have a limited iq in the first place (which I would probably still have an issue with), but you said actively selected, it is hard for me to believe that |
they are, at least semi actively chosen not to have an iq above a certain level, they say its to prevent boredom with a subsequent loss of resources due to expensive training,
heres an article that explains where why and how this was done, many blogs later revealed it happens in other states and cities as well.
link here,
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Delphiki
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Oodain wrote: | | Delphiki wrote: | | Oodain wrote: | | Rainy wrote: | | OrangeCloud wrote: | | I would have thought that a trained police officer should be able to restrain a 15 year old with a butter knife without a gun or taser or anything. I reckon I could do it, why can't they? This all smells a bit wrong. |
That's because you've been watching way too many hollywood movies. |
or the cop was an utter idiot with cowardly tendencies, i have seen cops call for backup to deal with cats and squirrels and cops are actively selected to have a limited iq in the first place. |
Really? It is one thing to say cops have a limited iq in the first place (which I would probably still have an issue with), but you said actively selected, it is hard for me to believe that |
they are, at least semi actively chosen not to have an iq above a certain level, they say its to prevent boredom with a subsequent loss of resources due to expensive training,
heres an article that explains where why and how this was done, many blogs later revealed it happens in other states and cities as well.
link here, |
I guess, just seems ridiculous. You said he could have been an utter idiot. Going by that article the mean score is 21-22, which is about 104 IQ, lowest to pass is a 20. So if we are going by this test for the officer then either- the test can't be trusted,Similar to the first iq tests mean nothing, common sense matters more than "smarts".
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Oodain
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yes but anyone that cannot disarm a 15 year old with a butter knife after extensive training simply isnt fit for a police officer, especially when the response is a headshot. none of that is common sense.
did he have any less than lethal measures? if so why werent they drawn instead of a lethal weapon when responding to what is basically a child having a tantrum?
how would you look on someone that punched a child with full force despite the child being violent?
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