donnie_darko
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I wouldn't say I dislike black culture, but I think modern black culture is almost comical sometimes. I mean those people like Lil Boosie, they are doing way worse to black people than David Duke could ever dream of.  |
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donnie_darko
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People are people and most people suck but it isn't because of their race. |
Would it worse to kill the entire human race or one branch of it? hmmm |
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Kjas
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Reading through this thread was interesting for me because I can see a lot of the parallels between what happens in north america and what happens in my home country.
A large portion of the complaints about "black culture" in this thread could just as easily be applied to anyone or any group who is on the lower / lowest part of the socio-economic scale. The racism is being mixed with classist attitudes essentially, much like I see in my home country.
The thing is that racism is designed to keep the people it is used against off balance, and more importantly in their place, particularly in terms of their power and their socio-economic standing. In that regard, it has obviously been very successful and will continue to be.
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| I'm not a fan of rap music about violence and "hoes", but that's not what black culture is really about, that's just what is popular. |
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Im not a big fan of the gangsta culture, but I have equal disdain for the kicker culture; both of which are high school phenomena as far as I can tell.
I read "The 50th Law" by 50-cent, I'm not a fan of his music, but I can appreciate the struggle he's been through. |
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| I really like rap and to me its a main stream form of poetry which I also like. The ability some rap writers have with words can be likened to a "real" writer and I frequently get goosebumps when I hear great wording/rhyme scheme/topic etc. I recommend any aspie with a scientific lean to listen to the Poet Laureate triology of songs by Canibus. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Aspergers and (dislike of) black culture? |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | takemitsu wrote: | | I heard someone say something before, maybe the author of a book with a title like, "The Collapse of Western Civilization" or something to that affect, that "civilization is on the rise when the lower class mimics the higher class, and it is on the decline when the higher class mimics the lower class" Maybe someone can help me with this one, but I tend to look at black culture as what white america has been looking up to for awhile now, and I feel like, socially, we are on a decline because of it. It is just a feeling, as I haven't living in any other time periods, but I do associate the quote and what is happening today together. Hopefully, it's just the effect of the assimilation process. |
I'm not sure about that, but I notice in some hiring managers that back in the 80's when I was born they didn't care what color a person was, either for or against, and that was back in Texas. But since moving to Minnesota back in 2003, I've noticed that hiring managers do tend to care what "race" a person is, not in terms of discriminating against "people of color" or "immigrants" but instead a near exclusive preference for them above anyone else. Once I even worked with a manager, with the same melanin concentration as myself, and she'd go on and on about how mistreated all the minorities were and how this and that about how evil white people are and how all the minorities should be treated with favoritism so as to supposedly undo the wrongful treatment of the past. Unfortunately, that is also racism, another form of blind prejudice - judging ahead of time based upon cosmetic appearance or genealogy alone rather than upon any individual merit. |
This. I also think we (whites) are becoming a minority, particularly in the workplace, due to affirmative action. I know when I went to visit a friend in Columbus, OH, and stopped at a fast food restaurant to eat, there was only one white person working there, and the majority of the employees were black and perhaps a few hispanic/Mexican-American (not sure) people working there. You also had entire apartment buildings boarded up in certain sections of complexes. I'm not trying to be racist and am not a white supremacist type of person, but their culture is, let's face it, a sewer. I also think the whole affirmative action thing is causing reverse discrimination. Racism is racism, no matter who it is against.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Aspergers and (dislike of) black culture? |
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| Hanotaux wrote: | Are many people with AS repulsed by black culture? I don't mean pure racism or dislike of black people, but does anyone get put off by things like rap music, the BET, and 'gangsta' culture?
I think in alot of ways, AS can be seen as the antithesis of the African-American stereotypical paradigm. I think its possible to characterize AS as extreme introversion and inhibition, and black culture seems to be extremely extroverted and uninhibited.
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I dislike these cultural artifacts. They are base and irrational.
Ayn Rand once made this comparison: Apollonian vs. Dioneysian
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Aspergers and (dislike of) black culture? |
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| LiberalJustice wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | takemitsu wrote: | | I heard someone say something before, maybe the author of a book with a title like, "The Collapse of Western Civilization" or something to that affect, that "civilization is on the rise when the lower class mimics the higher class, and it is on the decline when the higher class mimics the lower class" Maybe someone can help me with this one, but I tend to look at black culture as what white america has been looking up to for awhile now, and I feel like, socially, we are on a decline because of it. It is just a feeling, as I haven't living in any other time periods, but I do associate the quote and what is happening today together. Hopefully, it's just the effect of the assimilation process. |
I'm not sure about that, but I notice in some hiring managers that back in the 80's when I was born they didn't care what color a person was, either for or against, and that was back in Texas. But since moving to Minnesota back in 2003, I've noticed that hiring managers do tend to care what "race" a person is, not in terms of discriminating against "people of color" or "immigrants" but instead a near exclusive preference for them above anyone else. Once I even worked with a manager, with the same melanin concentration as myself, and she'd go on and on about how mistreated all the minorities were and how this and that about how evil white people are and how all the minorities should be treated with favoritism so as to supposedly undo the wrongful treatment of the past. Unfortunately, that is also racism, another form of blind prejudice - judging ahead of time based upon cosmetic appearance or genealogy alone rather than upon any individual merit. |
This. I also think we (whites) are becoming a minority, particularly in the workplace, due to affirmative action. I know when I went to visit a friend in Columbus, OH, and stopped at a fast food restaurant to eat, there was only one white person working there, and the majority of the employees were black and perhaps a few hispanic/Mexican-American (not sure) people working there. You also had entire apartment buildings boarded up in certain sections of complexes. I'm not trying to be racist and am not a white supremacist type of person, but their culture is, let's face it, a sewer. I also think the whole affirmative action thing is causing reverse discrimination. Racism is racism, no matter who it is against. |
Are you really claiming that there was affirmative action happening at this fast-food restaurant?
 Blacks still make up around 10-15% of our population. For them to 'be the majority in our workplaces,' whites would have to have something like a 90% unemployment rate. What we actually see is the opposite: black people were hit twice as hard by the recession's layoffs as white people. |
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When In was in junior high a poor black school was suddenly fed into our school system and I had a similar reaction. I found the black subculture within the school to be completely alien and very loud. At lunch they would put on loud music, dance around, talk loudly and I just remember being shocked by it and thinking, "really?".
Blue collar jews and wasps didnt act ilke that. It was a culture shock. |
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Just to let anyone trying to respond to Hanotaux know, he's been banned for some time.
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| When I first came to the US there were two things I didn't know about - Asperger's Syndrome and American black culture. The two of them are like oil and water. Black culture, at least the majority I was exposed to over the past 20-30 years, emphasises aggression over passiveness, ignorance over intellect, laxness over discipline, pride over humility. It took a while to learn about the stereotypes (fathers missing in action, kids in one family with different last names, the hung studly virile black male, welfare moms, $200 fingernails and $200 hair weaves, empty cupboards but 20 inch rims on hopped up rides, guns in the waistband, etc.). What's unfortunate is these stereotypes are perpetuated by black culture itself - maybe as a survival mechanism? |
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I'm white, so maybe I don't know much about black culture, but I think the OP describes a fairly limited perspective of black culture. Most of what I love about modern music (not Rap or gangsta type, but jazz and rock in general) seems to have evolved with lots of influence from black cultures - plural because it's not just African American influence, but African influences in nearly every culture into which Africans have emigrated (willingly or not). One possible exception may be European classical music prior to some particular date that I don't know enough to pin down. But later classical music also has its black influences. So you see, one can not like Rap and still like black culture. A culture is a big thing to dismiss based on a few musical styles or faddish forms of expression.
There isn't much Rap that I like. I've enjoyed it from time to time, but don't know enough about it to say whose music it was that I liked. Most that I've heard I did not like, but maybe it was because it all sounded sort of generic to me. Almost any music that promotes violence, though, or calls women whores, I'm not going to enjoy.
But when I was young I especially loved the Supremes. I wasn't even that interested yet in music at the time, but when I was 10 years old I would have listened to them day and night if I could. Even now, if I hear certain music by black artists from that era I am just swept into it. Love it. There are in fact many black artists whose music I've enjoyed without ever listening to much Rap or gangsta type stuff. I would try to list the artists, but that list would grow slowly and become quite long, I'm sure, once I got started. I don't have time.
Maybe the OP needs to do some of their own research.  Look into the Motown music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motown ) of the 1960s and 1970s for starters. Learn about Ragtime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragtime ), and the jazz (and blues) of the 1920s through today. Then there's the music of Jamaica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Jamaica). I could go on and on, but you really should learn more on your own before you dismiss "black culture" in one fell swoop (a culture is also much more than just music, btw). You never know it could even become your new special interest. 
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