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| Censorship prevents stupidity and opposition so I am all for it |
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| Should be used in moderation if the situation calls for it |
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Vigilans
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| edgewaters wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Mummy_of_Peanut wrote: | | I wonder what this place would be like, with the spammers and trolls being allowed to roam freely (that's what no censorship would entail). As an example, one troll could easily churn out a whole page of topic headings, in minutes. I don't think I'd use places like this at all, if they weren't censored somewhat. |
Banning trolls, spammers, and locking violating threads, is not censorship, it is enforcement of the rules. Is it censorship to refuse a violent television show on a family friendly channel? |
I don't see it so much that way exactly ... it's more like WP is someone's megaphone or other communication tool. They share it under certain conditions. They're not robbing you of freedom of speech if they attach conditions to using the megaphone; it's their stuff.
Censorship is when you're forbidden from using any megaphone, including your own, to communicate something. No website can take your freedom of speech away. They can attach conditions to sharing their stuff, because it's theirs, but that's not censorship. |
That is another valid way of looking at it.
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Dox47
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Furthermore, the TOS is not really a matter of opinion. |
Actually, a lot of it is a matter of opinion, as it contains numerous squishy terms that can be readily interpreted to cover just about any situation; it's a classic CYA boilerplate and subject to plenty of interpretation (see: swearing).
Also, I'm kinda with panda on this one; you're showing up in a lot of threads lately to mock and belittle people who are questioning moderator calls. I'm not making any insinuation about your motives, just pointing out that the pattern is plainly visible and not a figment of anyone's imagination.
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: |
Banning trolls, spammers, and locking violating threads, is not censorship, it is enforcement of the rules |
Your nose is looking mighty brown, lately. 
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. Is it censorship to refuse a violent television show on a family friendly channel? |
For the government to refuse it? Or for the owner of the channel to refuse it? |
Censorship is restriction of speech, press or media output ordained by government. A the owner of a privately owned newspaper, auditorium, station or website is at liberty to refuse whatsoever he wishes.
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Furthermore, the TOS is not really a matter of opinion. |
Actually, a lot of it is a matter of opinion, as it contains numerous squishy terms that can be readily interpreted to cover just about any situation; it's a classic CYA boilerplate and subject to plenty of interpretation (see: swearing).
Also, I'm kinda with panda on this one; you're showing up in a lot of threads lately to mock and belittle people who are questioning moderator calls. I'm not making any insinuation about your motives, just pointing out that the pattern is plainly visible and not a figment of anyone's imagination. |
Actually, I am mocking what amounts to poorly thought out and ridiculous positions. I don't care about people's personal relations with the mods. If you and others would prefer I don't contribute to these threads, because of whatever reasons, well... too bad, unless you would prefer to censor me I am not concerned with who likes me or not
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Also, I'm kinda with panda on this one; you're showing up in a lot of threads lately to mock and belittle people who are questioning moderator calls. I'm not making any insinuation about your motives, just pointing out that the pattern is plainly visible and not a figment of anyone's imagination. |
I have seen him do that, but only in situations where the person doing the questioning clearly doesn't have a leg to stand on, and is being absurd.
I have not seen him do that when someone has a half way viable point.
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Dox47 wrote: | | Also, I'm kinda with panda on this one; you're showing up in a lot of threads lately to mock and belittle people who are questioning moderator calls. I'm not making any insinuation about your motives, just pointing out that the pattern is plainly visible and not a figment of anyone's imagination. |
I would like to point out I also did that to you using a Flash Gordon video, and (I'm dead serious about this, honestly, if I do this I expect some retaliation) I am sorry you did not get a chance to defend yourself. The reason why I am bringing this up is actually so you can respond to me after I said it on another thread, and I had to wait until a relevant topic I wanted to post in happened and you did this again to let you have a chance. This might be another "WTF HerrGrimm?" moment, but seriously, if I am going to do this to people, I expect some backlash in return. So let me explain my position and then you can respond:
It was not because I was defending the moderators. I was mocking you because you are trying too hard. And this trying too hard is useless, because if this is happening you have no control over it, and I am amazed how people want the rules loosened so they can say what they want, when in reality it gives the moderators a better chance to ban you over how vague the rules would be for this to happen.
Besides, I am more of a creepy stalker than you anyway. We did both pass the Test of Manhood, it is just that you use your powers for the force of justice, while I use mine for mockery and trickery.
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| DC wrote: | | enrico_dandolo wrote: | | It is more useful that there be a free press. It lets out steam. It's not like newspapers change anything. |
Have you been living under a rock the last year?
Murdoch phone hacking inquiry pass you by?
The one where celebrities, politicians and the police all admit to being terrified of the press and their power to destroy careers with false gossip or bury potentially career ending indiscretions so that you sail on unscathed?
Or how after the press created the MMR scare, parents stopped vaccinating their children and case of fatal measles, mumps and rubella went up hugely? etc, etc, etc. |
Similar things happened too before the printing press. More slowly, perhaps, but just as destructively.
Admittedly, I was not thinking at all about such cases, more about politics, and my last sentence was to be understood as "the press doesn't change anything at all about which groups hold real power in the long run". Even if, in specific instances, the press can be dangerously stupid (as opposed their typical benign stupidity), I believe it is still more dangerous to prevent them uttering their non-sense than to let it go through, since the press will unite in expressing their feelings of oppression, with many people in agreement, which could cause unrest. To be precise, so long as a regulation is not perceived as oppressive to anyone, I am in full agreement, even if it limits freedom of expression.
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heavenlyabyss
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| Censorship should be used when the person talking is an idiot. When I say idiot, I don't mean low IQ, I mean the person is an as*hole. |
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| heavenlyabyss wrote: | | Censorship should be used when the person talking is an idiot. When I say idiot, I don't mean low IQ, I mean the person is an as*hole. |
and how do we determine that "objective sentiment"(read not)?
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| heavenlyabyss wrote: | | Censorship should be used when the person talking is an idiot. When I say idiot, I don't mean low IQ, I mean the person is an as*hole. |
Nah, don't censor them, censure them- they have the right to speak, but you have the right to point out how much of an as*hole they are! Everybody wins!
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| heavenlyabyss wrote: | | Censorship should be used when the person talking is an idiot. When I say idiot, I don't mean low IQ, I mean the person is an as*hole. |
Is there an objective criterion for as*hole-icity?
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| Vigilans wrote: | | ArrantPariah wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: |
Banning trolls, spammers, and locking violating threads, is not censorship, it is enforcement of the rules |
Your nose is looking mighty brown, lately. |
Really? I have nothing to gain by voicing my opinion. Furthermore, the TOS is not really a matter of opinion. Feel free to go and read it any time you like, or feel free to be a fool and throw insinuations around, I don't particularly care about your view on my motivations, though it says a lot about yours that you accuse me of brown nosing when my post was in disagreement with a mod's interpretation of censorship |
Oh, you're good.
Have you received your Gold Star, yet? |
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Vigilans
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | ArrantPariah wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: |
Banning trolls, spammers, and locking violating threads, is not censorship, it is enforcement of the rules |
Your nose is looking mighty brown, lately. |
Really? I have nothing to gain by voicing my opinion. Furthermore, the TOS is not really a matter of opinion. Feel free to go and read it any time you like, or feel free to be a fool and throw insinuations around, I don't particularly care about your view on my motivations, though it says a lot about yours that you accuse me of brown nosing when my post was in disagreement with a mod's interpretation of censorship |
Oh, you're good.
Have you received your Gold Star, yet? |
Do you have anything useful to say, or are you going to continue the butthurt induced by my pointing out how stupid whining about "censorship" on a private web page is.
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