Vigilans
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | They are both equally crazy. |
Anything supernatural is a bit inherently nutty, but Scientology is at least 9000% crazier than most Christian denominations |
What do you expect from a religion that was started as a joke by a second rate science fiction author?
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Second rate is far more praise then he deserves
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Rocky
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| Vigilans wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | They are both equally crazy. |
Anything supernatural is a bit inherently nutty, but Scientology is at least 9000% crazier than most Christian denominations |
I think that impression is only because most of us grew up with Christianity. If aliens landed and compared the two, I think they would judge them to be equally unbelievable. I see this from the perspective of one who was indoctrinated in one of the *ahem* less conventional Christian religions. Being brought up in Christian Science, my religion (at the time) didn't seem crazy at all. The majority saw it as crazy as Scientology, but reality is not decided by majority rule. I now recognize that mainstream Christianity, Christian Science, and Scientology are all wrong about the nature of reality.
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Vigilans
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Rocky wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | They are both equally crazy. |
Anything supernatural is a bit inherently nutty, but Scientology is at least 9000% crazier than most Christian denominations |
I think that impression is only because most of us grew up with Christianity. If aliens landed and compared the two, I think they would judge them to be equally unbelievable. I see this from the perspective of one who was indoctrinated in one of the *ahem* less conventional Christian religions. Being brought up in Christian Science, my religion (at the time) didn't seem crazy at all. The majority saw it as crazy as Scientology, but reality is not decided by majority rule. I now recognize that mainstream Christianity, Christian Science, and Scientology are all wrong about the nature of reality. |
Certainly they are equally invalid as interpretations of the universe, but the Bible at least references people and locations that actually exist/existed. Scientology has a theology that involves things that cannot even be verified by half-assed archaeology  I mean how will we ever know if Xenu ever existed
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Rocky
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Rocky wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | They are both equally crazy. |
Anything supernatural is a bit inherently nutty, but Scientology is at least 9000% crazier than most Christian denominations |
I think that impression is only because most of us grew up with Christianity. If aliens landed and compared the two, I think they would judge them to be equally unbelievable. I see this from the perspective of one who was indoctrinated in one of the *ahem* less conventional Christian religions. Being brought up in Christian Science, my religion (at the time) didn't seem crazy at all. The majority saw it as crazy as Scientology, but reality is not decided by majority rule. I now recognize that mainstream Christianity, Christian Science, and Scientology are all wrong about the nature of reality. |
Certainly they are equally invalid as interpretations of the universe, but the Bible at least references people and locations that actually exist/existed. Scientology has a theology that involves things that cannot even be verified by half-assed archaeology I mean how will we ever know if Xenu ever existed |
It is true that Scientology was created by a fiction writer, but I think Dianetics and the Bible should both be put in the fiction section. If I were forced to go to traditional church or whatever building that Scientology uses, I would go to church. At least they don't harass those who deconvert. I knew someone who tried to leave Scientology, and he experienced just that. It was almost like trying to leave the mob!
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Certainly they are equally invalid as interpretations of the universe, but the Bible at least references people and locations that actually exist/existed. |
That's just because it's the scientology of the Iron Age. In a couple thousand years, if it's still around, scientology will be in the same position. Probably better, actually, because they'll easily be able to document the factual existance of L. Ron Hubbard and numerous other things. Of course, the fact that L. Ron Hubbard actually existed doesn't lend an iota of credibility to the whole thing, but people seem to think establishing these things matters for some bizarre reason. But only after a set period of time. Everybody recognizes LRH's factual existance doesn't matter right now but for some inexplicable reason, if he had died a few centuries ago rather than recently, it would matter. |
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| Why just single out Christiantiy their are other religions in the world Islam Judaism Hinduism Shinto ect. But to answer your questioin I don't care that people view my faith as crazy. When atheists criticize my faith it brings me great joy I will follow it even harder because I am very zealous when it comes to my faith. |
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Evinceo
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[quote="Joker"]Why just single out Christiantiy their are other religions in the world...[quote]
It's the largest one in the world, and by a larger margin the biggest one in the English-speaking world. Also, since it's in the spotlight often (professor fired after criticizing cross here, Atheists complain about nativity scene there) it's often seen as a fair target. |
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Rocky
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| Joker wrote: | | Why just single out Christiantiy their are other religions in the world Islam Judaism Hinduism Shinto ect. But to answer your questioin I don't care that people view my faith as crazy. When atheists criticize my faith it brings me great joy I will follow it even harder because I am very zealous when it comes to my faith. |
It is the most influential religion here in the USA and in most of the countries of those who post here on WP. For the record, I don't believe any religion that I have encountered. Buddhism makes a lot of sense to me, but I don't believe anything supernatural (like reincarnation) so I am not a Buddhist.
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How can a religion that worships a God on a Stick be sensible?
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Joker
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| Rocky wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Why just single out Christiantiy their are other religions in the world Islam Judaism Hinduism Shinto ect. But to answer your questioin I don't care that people view my faith as crazy. When atheists criticize my faith it brings me great joy I will follow it even harder because I am very zealous when it comes to my faith. |
It is the most influential religion here in the USA and in most of the countries of those who post here on WP. For the record, I don't believe any religion that I have encountered. Buddhism makes a lot of sense to me, but I don't believe anything supernatural (like reincarnation) so I am not a Buddhist. |
But my religion is not the only one in the world atheists should attack them all not just one. |
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shrox
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| I am Quaker, a friend of Jesus Christ, and I just don't feel attacked. Maybe something like a tiny bug bite. |
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Thom_Fuleri
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| Joker wrote: | | But my religion is not the only one in the world atheists should attack them all not just one. |
Oh, we do. Except "attack" is a silly term for it, invented by the religious and used to the point of cliche by the media. The bits of Christianity that atheism *really* attacks are the ones that, actually, most Christians also dislike - the fundamentalist garbage, like evolution being wrong or God hating homosexuality (despite clearly inventing it). Most atheism is not trying to attack but to enlighten.
Christianity is the most obvious target for three reasons:
(1) Most western culture has grown up with it, and the strongest secular movements are all within western culture.
(2) The most powerful religious nation on the planet is Christian, and has far more effect on the global community than all the other religions combined.
(3) Some of the other religious nations are rather more... fervent than Christianity. They aren't interested in theological debate, and those within such nations will either kill you for your blasphemy or fear being killed for listening to it. Which, ironically, is about as far from love and peace as you can get. Honestly, God could only ever be an atheist. He'd want nothing to do with these violent organisations that claim to represent him. |
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Joker
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| Thom_Fuleri wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | But my religion is not the only one in the world atheists should attack them all not just one. |
Oh, we do. Except "attack" is a silly term for it, invented by the religious and used to the point of cliche by the media. The bits of Christianity that atheism *really* attacks are the ones that, actually, most Christians also dislike - the fundamentalist garbage, like evolution being wrong or God hating homosexuality (despite clearly inventing it). Most atheism is not trying to attack but to enlighten.
Christianity is the most obvious target for three reasons:
(1) Most western culture has grown up with it, and the strongest secular movements are all within western culture.
(2) The most powerful religious nation on the planet is Christian, and has far more effect on the global community than all the other religions combined.
(3) Some of the other religious nations are rather more... fervent than Christianity. They aren't interested in theological debate, and those within such nations will either kill you for your blasphemy or fear being killed for listening to it. Which, ironically, is about as far from love and peace as you can get. Honestly, God could only ever be an atheist. He'd want nothing to do with these violent organisations that claim to represent him. |
All of that is true and I am the only christian that will admit it I have no ties with those people. Fundies give me a bloody heachache. |
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