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ewes
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After a long period of research and selftesting I came to a conclusion. I always wondered why I couldn't comprehend and act like all other neurotypicals but now I finally found out why. Current research stopped or seemingly did so because they did not get direct results. Or maybe they did and got obstructed by some mayor pharmaceutical companies. Which seems more likely from my point of view anyway.
My advise: "Stay away from prescription drugs!"
Innovation is always counterintuitive, that's why it is often overlooked. One has an assumption which should be proven correctly for ones sake only. No more and no less. There it stops, defeating the true purpose to begin with. In the end only logic prevails and that is the one and only truth.
You might be wondering why I am getting philosophical but this is actually a necessity, otherwise you won't be able to comprehend certain changes and you might give up prematurely. Forcibly hold on to your beliefs I recommend!
If it's the opposite you wan't, I can give it to you. But be aware; some presumptions you have now will be negated in the process/ progress, leaving you to wonder about that what seems like logic now will be tested and you will be........... neurotypical or at least somewhere near that normalised state of mind as expected nowadays, if you want (if you are stuck like I was)?
By the way I was always seen as the extravert version of that what might be considerd as PDD-NOS or fashionably referred as "Aspergers".
Reply enough and I will give the answer............
Consider this:
"All I ever wished for came to me but not with ease and you will gain a lot of insight during the progress, more than you ever wished for!".
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Agreed.
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I believe ewes is saying to avoid taking drugs to help ease the effects of some of the more difficult aspects of AS. If you live with these issues, you will develop much greater coping skills and become a better person because of it.
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| raylit20 wrote: | | I believe ewes is saying to avoid taking drugs to help ease the effects of some of the more difficult aspects of AS. If you live with these issues, you will develop much greater coping skills and become a better person because of it. |
I don't think trying to fight through symptoms with no relief nessisarily helps one develop better coping skills and become a better person. However I don't think AS itself can be medicated since its more a way of brain wiring then faulty brain chemicals or brain damage of some sort.
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| Could one of you high IQ types help me with this post? I don't get it. |
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I think the OP is either having problems communicating, or doesn't speak English very well; or perhaps is confused for some reason.
My opinion regarding prescription drugs: They are neither poison nor panacea. They are to be used sparingly, but one should not hesitate to consider them as an option. There are other options; drugs may or may not be the best choice. Even when they are the best choice, they may still be combined with other strategies--especially when it comes to something like AS, which is fundamentally present in a person's brain structure and cannot be changed with medication. The best treatment for ASDs is education. Drugs may help you learn--I am very fond of a good caffeine buzz, and I have to admit I'm more organized on ADHD meds--but the learning itself has got to be done the same way as any other--that is, by finding a good environment in which to learn (and optionally a good teacher) and spending time practicing.
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| Callista wrote: | I think the OP is either having problems communicating, or doesn't speak English very well; or perhaps is confused for some reason.
My opinion regarding prescription drugs: They are neither poison nor panacea. They are to be used sparingly, but one should not hesitate to consider them as an option. There are other options; drugs may or may not be the best choice. Even when they are the best choice, they may still be combined with other strategies--especially when it comes to something like AS, which is fundamentally present in a person's brain structure and cannot be changed with medication. The best treatment for ASDs is education. Drugs may help you learn--I am very fond of a good caffeine buzz, and I have to admit I'm more organized on ADHD meds--but the learning itself has got to be done the same way as any other--that is, by finding a good environment in which to learn (and optionally a good teacher) and spending time practicing. |
yeah the trouble is when one is not allowed a good environment to learn in and does not have access to a good teacher.
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Dear Ewes,
Please stop emailing me. I don't need or desire any low cost viagra. Please inform your equals as well please.
Ta,
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Oxytocin helps alot.
I've been using it for about four weeks now and I'm noticing some interesting results. I get more satisfaction out of the normal daily chores and communicating with other people. Something I didn't have in the past except when I was talking about one of my obsessions. It feels good and I don't need to be as precise about everything as I used to be. You might say I stopped or care less about a lot of things that would usually occupy my mind. Making it easier to listen to other people and to try and understand their point of view. In the past I wasn't able to do this. The only opinion that mattered was my own because I only trusted myself which made me feel alone but at the sametime overall 'justified' to a certain degree. This was what kept me going for a long time untill I was sick and tired off it.
In the beginning it may feel as if you are using drugs, but it isn't when you will be starting to notice that other people feel about the same way too. This wasn't easy for me to comprehend but I'm finally beginning to understand now.
The effect of the oxytocin is that it takes away the tension I would normally feel which made me feel like an observer but not a participant in the modern day society because of all the stimuli I needed to understand and explain to myself. Although I matured a lot during the past couple of years I really can't say the PDD-NOS symptoms have gotten any less due to my increased cooping skills. Actually they got a lot worse on the inside. This is why I'm using ocytocin on a daily base now and it just feels about right.
But oxytocin alone doesn't do the trick because it actually worsens certain autistic traits. You must actively increase your testosterone levels as well. Otherwise it feels very similar to the effects of an antidepressant or oxazepam without the libido decreasing part. After all oxytocin is prescribed to women only. Everytime I go to the pharmacy the screen turns red and questions are asked!
My hypothesis is that the combination of oxytocin and high testosterone levels also lead to a higher level of vasopressin which is the male counterpart of oxytocin.
Anyway it works for me I feel great and I've still got all of the insight from my more autistic days. Which by the way has now become a force to be reckoned with because I'm feeling stronger, more intelligent and more confident than ever.
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| Callista wrote: | I think the OP is either having problems communicating, or doesn't speak English very well; or perhaps is confused for some reason.
My opinion regarding prescription drugs: They are neither poison nor panacea. They are to be used sparingly, but one should not hesitate to consider them as an option. There are other options; drugs may or may not be the best choice. Even when they are the best choice, they may still be combined with other strategies--especially when it comes to something like AS, which is fundamentally present in a person's brain structure and cannot be changed with medication. The best treatment for ASDs is education. Drugs may help you learn--I am very fond of a good caffeine buzz, and I have to admit I'm more organized on ADHD meds--but the learning itself has got to be done the same way as any other--that is, by finding a good environment in which to learn (and optionally a good teacher) and spending time practicing. |
By the way you should avoid caffeine at all costs if you´ve been diagnosed with ASD like symptoms.
A person´s brain structure cannot be changed with medication but can be fuelled to be able to use it´s full potential. |
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ewes
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| Guybrush_Threepwood wrote: | Dear Ewes,
Please stop emailing me. I don't need or desire any low cost viagra. Please inform your equals as well please.
Ta,
Guy |
Huh? |
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I'm on pharms for anxiety and panic attacks however I plan to try without them at some point as I feel I was able to learn more efficient coping skills while on them, where otherwise I wouldn't have. Imo they have their uses, but its nothing I would want long term.
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What if you're powerless to shake out of depression, anxiety, self-hatred and jealousy of others? I've tried everything you'll probably suggest: voluntary work, courses, work experiences, employment interviews (I'm on JSA), counselling, CBT, gentle exercise, meeting up with friends, heck, I even face my fears like crowded places....you name it, I've done it. I've tried EVERYTHING, and I still feel rotton. I haven't tried meds yet, so they're the last resort.
I just can't go on being unable to enjoy myself due to anxiety and depression. I just can't. And it's easier said than done to just turn myself into a happy, self-loved person. I don't know where to start. I don't know how to be happy.
And special interests? No, they just invite more stress into my life. My current special interest has caused so much grief and stress that it ain't worth doing, and no, I can't force myself to be obsessed with books and science and numbers. No way. Too boring for me, nearly as boring as clothes shopping.
And I don't want to take meds in order to become a better person. I'm doing it for myself, so I can relax a bit more and perhaps be more able to enjoy going out and doing things more. I'm not saying meds will solve all my problems and make my AS disappear. I'm just saying that it might help calm my emotions a bit. I know an Autistic person who was prone to angry outbursts, and now he takes meds to calm him down a bit and ever since he's been able to relax and not get so angry. It hasn't changed his life or made his Autism go away and he's still the same person he ever was, but just can hold his outbursts back and keep his emotions under control, and he says it's made him feel a lot happier and more relaxed, and he doesn't get into panic attacks when he's out, and he even said himself that living without the uncontrollable angry behaviour and panic attacks goes a long way for him, and now he is able to help himself in other areas too, like finding it easier to go out and about more without the risk of having panic attacks. And that's exactly what I want.
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