Delphiki
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| MXH wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | no, a top of the pyramid problem is "why does nobody good approach me" not "why does nobody i approach like me". Sorry babe but they havent made pyramids for thousands of years |
I'm not your babe.
Don't call me that, it's patronizing and rude and something that happens all the time to women and girls when someone doesn't want to take us seriously.
If your biggest grievance with gender roles is "makes it harder than I would like to put my penis in people" than you don't know how good you've got it.
I have to laugh because otherwise I couldn't function reading all this whiny nonsense from guys who have no idea what like is like for women/people not like them. I just have to treat it like a tall tale a kindergartner is telling me and nod and smile, they just don't know any better. |
with how much you argue with me we may as well be an old married couple. but really, go get yourself some fine action and learn to enjoy your life and not control mine. Or at minimum some romantic commedies and ice cream. Is that so much to ask hun? |
Your mister cool aren't you?
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MXH
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| Delphiki wrote: |
Your mister cool aren't you? |
but i can be Mr T for you |
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Delphiki
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well I was thinking of John Travolta from Grease, that is pretty close
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MXH
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| nooo not travolta. He believes in some funny religion and hasnt come out of the closetyet. thats not cool. |
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TM
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| DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | no, a top of the pyramid problem is "why does nobody good approach me" not "why does nobody i approach like me". Sorry babe but they havent made pyramids for thousands of years |
I'm not your babe.
Don't call me that, it's patronizing and rude and something that happens all the time to women and girls when someone doesn't want to take us seriously.
If your biggest grievance with gender roles is "makes it harder than I would like to put my penis in people" than you don't know how good you've got it.
I have to laugh because otherwise I couldn't function reading all this whiny nonsense from guys who have no idea what like is like for women/people not like them. I just have to treat it like a tall tale a kindergartner is telling me and nod and smile, they just don't know any better. |
In that case, stop going off on pointless crying rants and actually make a coherent and well structured argument explaining why the initiation and approach phase is hard for women. Countless people in this thread have made the argument from the side of men, nobody has made a good argument from the female perspective.
If you want to be taken seriously be serious, nobody is entitled to being taken seriously, its earned in the same way respect is earned. |
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DogsWithoutHorses
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| MXH wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | no, a top of the pyramid problem is "why does nobody good approach me" not "why does nobody i approach like me". Sorry babe but they havent made pyramids for thousands of years |
I'm not your babe.
Don't call me that, it's patronizing and rude and something that happens all the time to women and girls when someone doesn't want to take us seriously.
If your biggest grievance with gender roles is "makes it harder than I would like to put my penis in people" than you don't know how good you've got it.
I have to laugh because otherwise I couldn't function reading all this whiny nonsense from guys who have no idea what like is like for women/people not like them. I just have to treat it like a tall tale a kindergartner is telling me and nod and smile, they just don't know any better. |
with how much you argue with me we may as well be an old married couple. but really, go get yourself some fine action and learn to enjoy your life and not control mine. Or at minimum some romantic commedies and ice cream. Is that so much to ask hun? |
being sexist on the tread to determine if there is sexism - priceless
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MXH
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| TM wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | no, a top of the pyramid problem is "why does nobody good approach me" not "why does nobody i approach like me". Sorry babe but they havent made pyramids for thousands of years |
I'm not your babe.
Don't call me that, it's patronizing and rude and something that happens all the time to women and girls when someone doesn't want to take us seriously.
If your biggest grievance with gender roles is "makes it harder than I would like to put my penis in people" than you don't know how good you've got it.
I have to laugh because otherwise I couldn't function reading all this whiny nonsense from guys who have no idea what like is like for women/people not like them. I just have to treat it like a tall tale a kindergartner is telling me and nod and smile, they just don't know any better. |
In that case, stop going off on pointless crying rants and actually make a coherent and well structured argument explaining why the initiation and approach phase is hard for women. Countless people in this thread have made the argument from the side of men, nobody has made a good argument from the female perspective.
If you want to be taken seriously be serious, otherwise you're just showing yourself as yet another person on this board who likes to assert things and make statements with no logical thought to them.
So, for your next post, sit down, stop being angry, deep breaths, count to ten, or whatever works and write a post that starts with:
These are the problems women face in :
A: The initiation phase.
B: The approach phase.
Otherwise, why don't you go hate on men somewhere else, I'm sure ValentineWiggan can direct you to a forum for man-bashing. |
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MXH
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| DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | no, a top of the pyramid problem is "why does nobody good approach me" not "why does nobody i approach like me". Sorry babe but they havent made pyramids for thousands of years |
I'm not your babe.
Don't call me that, it's patronizing and rude and something that happens all the time to women and girls when someone doesn't want to take us seriously.
If your biggest grievance with gender roles is "makes it harder than I would like to put my penis in people" than you don't know how good you've got it.
I have to laugh because otherwise I couldn't function reading all this whiny nonsense from guys who have no idea what like is like for women/people not like them. I just have to treat it like a tall tale a kindergartner is telling me and nod and smile, they just don't know any better. |
with how much you argue with me we may as well be an old married couple. but really, go get yourself some fine action and learn to enjoy your life and not control mine. Or at minimum some romantic commedies and ice cream. Is that so much to ask hun? |
being sexist on the tread to determine if there is sexism - priceless |
Its ok sugar, you already had your thoughts about me made. I bet they involved chocolate and whipped cream. |
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DogsWithoutHorses
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| TM wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: | | MXH wrote: | | no, a top of the pyramid problem is "why does nobody good approach me" not "why does nobody i approach like me". Sorry babe but they havent made pyramids for thousands of years |
I'm not your babe.
Don't call me that, it's patronizing and rude and something that happens all the time to women and girls when someone doesn't want to take us seriously.
If your biggest grievance with gender roles is "makes it harder than I would like to put my penis in people" than you don't know how good you've got it.
I have to laugh because otherwise I couldn't function reading all this whiny nonsense from guys who have no idea what like is like for women/people not like them. I just have to treat it like a tall tale a kindergartner is telling me and nod and smile, they just don't know any better. |
In that case, stop going off on pointless crying rants and actually make a coherent and well structured argument explaining why the initiation and approach phase is hard for women. Countless people in this thread have made the argument from the side of men, nobody has made a good argument from the female perspective.
If you want to be taken seriously be serious, nobody is entitled to being taken seriously, its earned in the same way respect is earned. |
I'm not saying anything about how hard dating is for women because that's not my point.
My point, which I expressed, is that it's a relatively small grievance in the grand scheme and that calling "sexism" on difficulty in dating for that reason is a little silly.
Beyond that. I don't really care.
People can feel free to take me with as little seriousness, sugar, or cream as they like. But it's not cool to express that disrespect in such a stereo-typically sexist way. Which is what I objected to.
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TM
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I'm not saying anything about how hard dating is for women because that's not my point.
My point, which I expressed, is that it's a relatively small grievance in the grand scheme and that calling "sexism" on difficulty in dating for that reason is a little silly.
Beyond that. I don't really care.
People can feel free to take me with as little seriousness, sugar, or cream as they like. But it's not cool to express that disrespect in such a stereo-typically sexist way. Which is what I objected to. |
It's not "cool" to derail a thread that you have no intention of contributing anything of value to either, some of us are genuinely interested in this discussion. I don't view reproduction and romantic relationships as a small thing, to quite a lot of people its the meaning of life.
Now, men are expected to be the active part in the approach and initiation phase of a relationship, IE societies standards dictate that men take this role, this may just be silly little me being a man, but last time I checked "sexism" is more or less defined as
"Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on sex; or conditions or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex."
If men are expected to behave a certain way in the sphere of love and dating and are penalized for not doing so, that is clear discrimination based on gender. |
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Kurgan
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| TM wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: |
I'm not saying anything about how hard dating is for women because that's not my point.
My point, which I expressed, is that it's a relatively small grievance in the grand scheme and that calling "sexism" on difficulty in dating for that reason is a little silly.
Beyond that. I don't really care.
People can feel free to take me with as little seriousness, sugar, or cream as they like. But it's not cool to express that disrespect in such a stereo-typically sexist way. Which is what I objected to. |
It's not "cool" to derail a thread that you have no intention of contributing anything of value to either, some of us are genuinely interested in this discussion. I don't view reproduction and romantic relationships as a small thing, to quite a lot of people its the meaning of life.
Now, men are expected to be the active part in the approach and initiation phase of a relationship, IE societies standards dictate that men take this role, this may just be silly little me being a man, but last time I checked "sexism" is more or less defined as
"Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on sex; or conditions or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex."
If men are expected to behave a certain way in the sphere of love and dating and are penalized for not doing so, that is clear discrimination based on gender. |
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MXH
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| TM wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: |
I'm not saying anything about how hard dating is for women because that's not my point.
My point, which I expressed, is that it's a relatively small grievance in the grand scheme and that calling "sexism" on difficulty in dating for that reason is a little silly.
Beyond that. I don't really care.
People can feel free to take me with as little seriousness, sugar, or cream as they like. But it's not cool to express that disrespect in such a stereo-typically sexist way. Which is what I objected to. |
It's not "cool" to derail a thread that you have no intention of contributing anything of value to either, some of us are genuinely interested in this discussion. I don't view reproduction and romantic relationships as a small thing, to quite a lot of people its the meaning of life.
Now, men are expected to be the active part in the approach and initiation phase of a relationship, IE societies standards dictate that men take this role, this may just be silly little me being a man, but last time I checked "sexism" is more or less defined as
"Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on sex; or conditions or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex."
If men are expected to behave a certain way in the sphere of love and dating and are penalized for not doing so, that is clear discrimination based on gender. |
if i was a zombie, id eat you for having a brain |
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Delphiki
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| TM wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: |
I'm not saying anything about how hard dating is for women because that's not my point.
My point, which I expressed, is that it's a relatively small grievance in the grand scheme and that calling "sexism" on difficulty in dating for that reason is a little silly.
Beyond that. I don't really care.
People can feel free to take me with as little seriousness, sugar, or cream as they like. But it's not cool to express that disrespect in such a stereo-typically sexist way. Which is what I objected to. |
It's not "cool" to derail a thread that you have no intention of contributing anything of value to either, some of us are genuinely interested in this discussion. I don't view reproduction and romantic relationships as a small thing, to quite a lot of people its the meaning of life. |
I don't see how she was derailing this thread
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TM
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| Delphiki wrote: | | TM wrote: | | DogsWithoutHorses wrote: |
I'm not saying anything about how hard dating is for women because that's not my point.
My point, which I expressed, is that it's a relatively small grievance in the grand scheme and that calling "sexism" on difficulty in dating for that reason is a little silly.
Beyond that. I don't really care.
People can feel free to take me with as little seriousness, sugar, or cream as they like. But it's not cool to express that disrespect in such a stereo-typically sexist way. Which is what I objected to. |
It's not "cool" to derail a thread that you have no intention of contributing anything of value to either, some of us are genuinely interested in this discussion. I don't view reproduction and romantic relationships as a small thing, to quite a lot of people its the meaning of life. |
I don't see how she was derailing this thread |
Because her post was off-topic, did not contribute to the discussion and was completely and utterly without value, as were her last 4 or 5 posts in the thread. Keep in mind that I view this post by you and most likely your reply to me in a similar fashion.
Is there any woman who would be so kind as to enlighten the cretins representing the male gender in this thread with an actual argument in regards to the work women have to do in the approach and initiation phases of a relationship from a female perspective? |
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edgewaters
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| This seems like a terrible way to get women to feel more comfortable with that role. |
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