Post 4692510 - (Checkmate, pro-choicers!)

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Joker wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Joker wrote:

I wonder if pro choicers make good parents?

Pro-choicers who chose to have their children probably care for them.

ruveyn

That's funny pro-choicers chosing to have children Laughing

Why is it funny? Believing that people should be able to choose not to have children doesn't necessarily mean that you yourself don't want them.
"Pro-choice" and "child-hater" are not synonymous.

If they love kids so much then let them be born.

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject:

Joker wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Joker wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Joker wrote:

I wonder if pro choicers make good parents?

Pro-choicers who chose to have their children probably care for them.

ruveyn

That's funny pro-choicers chosing to have children Laughing

Why is it funny? Believing that people should be able to choose not to have children doesn't necessarily mean that you yourself don't want them.
"Pro-choice" and "child-hater" are not synonymous.

If they love kids so much then let them be born.

Will you adopt all the unwanted babies?

Will you deal with the problems of adults who were raised by parents who didn't want them?

And you didn't address my actual point, which was "Why should believing in choice mean you don't want children?".
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject:

Joker wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Joker wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Joker wrote:

I wonder if pro choicers make good parents?

Pro-choicers who chose to have their children probably care for them.

ruveyn

That's funny pro-choicers chosing to have children Laughing

Why is it funny? Believing that people should be able to choose not to have children doesn't necessarily mean that you yourself don't want them.
"Pro-choice" and "child-hater" are not synonymous.

If they love kids so much then let them be born.

They're kids after they're born, not before. Prior to birth they're fetuses; before that they're embryos, and before that they're blastocysts, and before that they're zygotes.
"Pro-Choice" is about women getting to choose when, if and how many children they have; it's not advocating some Chinese one-child policy with forced abortions for everyone.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:04 am Post subject:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Joker wrote:

If they love kids so much then let them be born.

Will you adopt all the unwanted babies?

Will you deal with the problems of adults who were raised by parents who didn't want them?

You forgot: "Will you be the one going through the difficult process of bearing a child and giving birth for no purpose at all?"

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:15 am Post subject:

"Pro-Choice", as LKL expertly put it, is actually wanting to have the choice of having children. Contrary to popular belief (apparently), Children aren't free. They aren't even remotely cheap. There's no such thing as anyone who is "Pro-Abortion". Though I could easily imagine what someone who is would be like. "Yeah, I'm Pro-Abortion. I think that every woman should experience one at least once". Choose whether or not you'd like to abort a child. It should be rare, but availible. If so many groups weren't attempting to stifle and punish women for daring to engage in sexual relationships and utilize Birth Control, then perhaps Abortion in itself would be a non-issue.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:18 am Post subject:

LunaticOnTheGrass wrote:

Choose whether or not you'd like to abort a child. It should be rare, but availible. If so many groups weren't attempting to stifle and punish women for daring to engage in sexual relationships and utilize Birth Control, then perhaps Abortion in itself would be a non-issue.

Birth control isn't foolproof. There will always be failures, accidents, and even carelessness.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:31 am Post subject:

So the child is not alive inside it's mother at nine mounths what a joke.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:53 am Post subject:

Joker wrote:

So the child is not alive inside it's mother at nine mounths what a joke.

you are being willfully ignorant and its detestable behavior.

you full well know that most pro choicers in here would say a ninth month fetus would be worth saving,
and you willfully ignore the very concept of defintions.

in 99.995% of abortion cases that isnt the question however.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:57 am Post subject:

Oodain wrote:

Joker wrote:

So the child is not alive inside it's mother at nine mounths what a joke.

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I know I just like messing with pro choicers and pro lifers Laughing

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject:

Joker wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Joker wrote:

So the child is not alive inside it's mother at nine mounths what a joke.

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I know I just like messing with pro choicers and pro lifers Laughing

Dude, cliches and straw men aren't funny. You're just acting like a troll.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject:

Joker wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Joker wrote:

So the child is not alive inside it's mother at nine mounths what a joke.

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I know I just like messing with pro choicers and pro lifers Laughing

So when are you going to start messing with the pro-lifers then? Razz

They really should be called "anti-choicers"; pro-life makes it sound like the pro-choicers want all life to cease.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Joker wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Joker wrote:

So the child is not alive inside it's mother at nine mounths what a joke.

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I know I just like messing with pro choicers and pro lifers Laughing

So when are you going to start messing with the pro-lifers then? Razz

They really should be called "anti-choicers"; pro-life makes it sound like the pro-choicers want all life to cease.

Pro Lifers annoy me cause they never adopt children they just want them to be born most of the time they are born into poverty. And I really don't have a stand on the issue.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject:

Joker wrote:

I am not pro choice or pro life but I love annoying pro choicers.

That would make you an arrogant prick who loves to waste time.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Joker wrote:

I am not pro choice or pro life but I love annoying pro choicers.

That would make you an arrogant prick who loves to waste time.

Becarfule that is against the rules I might have to tell a MOD cause I have been following the rules you should too.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject:

By any chance, please go tell a mod, I assure you it is not part of an evil plan of mine to make yourself bring attention to that post which you admit that your only reason to join the discussion was to disrupt order and annoy/troll people.

HisDivineMajesty wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

The search for "soul" in genetic code has so far been fruitless. There is nothing magical about having a unique genetic sequence. Sperm tend to have it. Pigeons also do.

I'm not saying there's a soul

Then it makes absolutely no sense to give a cell more rights than a human being.

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What I meant to say was that, in terms of genetic integrity and viability, an aborted fetus generally isn't all that different from you.

Don't insult mankind by denigrating them like that.

I for one:
a) Was not aborted ergo I had a willing host.
b) Am alive. An aborted fetus is dead.
c) Do not need another person's organs to continue living.

In the case of a freaking human cell the second after conception. It does not even have a shape that remotely resembles anything. A just fertilized egg is basically nothing. 100% not a person. 100% not deserving more rights than a person. Etc, etc etc.

There might be a point in pregnancy, perhaps 8 months at which a fetus is like 95% of a person, and thus it becomes a big question whether it deserves or not more rights than a person. But of course, if you weren't a misinformed pro-lifer you would know that at such late stages of abortion, it is better to do a premature birth and put the fetus in those cooking containers. Even if fetuses were killed this late, the solution is (quite obviously) not to outlaw abortion, but to encourage mothers who do not want to have children to practice abortion as early as possible.

In other words, when your kind, comes up with silly, base-less arguments, against abortion. If you actually succeed in making a mother consider it for more time, then you are increasing the likelyhood of fetuses that are closer to person (like 75% a person) to die. As opposed to letting them die before that stage.

In fact, the solution to all of this is the day after pill. Actually not, because we have just found out that the day after pill does not even cause abortion, it stops fertilization, so it is just mundane anti-conception.

So, to sum up:
Being "pro-life".
- Denigrates women, because it implies their job is to carry babies and their rights end the second they are pregnant.
- Denigrates humans in general, because it implies a cell has more rights than a person. As no other kind of person is entitled (as the pro-lifers think the so-called baby is) to another person's organs. Pro-lifers spend a lot of time trying to prove, without any real base that "fetuses are people too". Yet somehow attribute these fetuses even more rights than a person. What's up with that?
- Causes more late abortions in an attempt to stall women from making their decisions, which are more likely to cause actual suffering.
- Causes unwanted births, which is actually bad for both the mother and the child. Not sure about you, but most women who get pregnant at 17, would have better lives if they get pregnant much later. If she is 17 and continues with the pregnancy, the child will have more problems in its life than if she aborted, got a degree, looked for a better father and had a planned pregnancy at 27.

I think that if I would have to choose between being a poor 17 years old single mom's only child and being the first child of a couple with degrees and successful lives at 27. I would pick the couple gladly.

But whatever you do when arguing abortion with me, please, please don't use retroactive abortion as an argument. That is just stupid.
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