Jamesy
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 Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: The goverments attitude towards the mentally ill stinks! |
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Mentally ill people who commit serious cirmes like murder as a result of bipolar rage or schizophrenia or any other type of crime seem too get punished in the same way someone who commits a serious crime for fun?
From what i have observed about the goverment is that it cannot be bothered too get the proper medical help for these mentally unstable people and just chooses too throw them in jail for the rest of there lives. if anything the goverment should be the one that should be punished because it does not provide these people with the help they need so the serious crimes like murder are not commited in the first place. It's almost like the goverment just wants too remove these people from society and not give them the chance too live a good quality of life. Disgusting if you ask me. |
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Rainy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| This might be news to you, but having a mental illness does not give you the privilege to murder people and not be punished for it. |
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Joker
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Rainy wrote: | | This might be news to you, but having a mental illness does not give you the privilege to murder people and not be punished for it. |
Be careful how you repsond you can get in trouble again. |
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Rainy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | Rainy wrote: | | This might be news to you, but having a mental illness does not give you the privilege to murder people and not be punished for it. |
Be careful how you repsond you can get in trouble again. |
And yet you can freely go around sprouting hate against neurotypicals. Interesting. |
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Joker
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Rainy wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Rainy wrote: | | This might be news to you, but having a mental illness does not give you the privilege to murder people and not be punished for it. |
Be careful how you repsond you can get in trouble again. |
And yet you can freely go around sprouting hate against neurotypicals. Interesting. |
But did I get in trouble for it um no but you did ha  |
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Rainy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Right... I'm going to do what I should have done a long time ago and just ignore you. |
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Joker
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Rainy wrote: | | Right... I'm going to do what I should have done a long time ago and just ignore you. |
Good that is very mature of you. |
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xenon13
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The standards for deciding that someone is not guilty by reason of insanity are far more stringent than those for deciding someone is insane (in the US made more so because people were mad that Reagan's shooter wasn't found criminally responsible). The result is that many mentally ill people are ruled to be criminally responsible and many in the US, since they have trouble with prison rules, end up in the mass torture facilities called supermaxes that are designed to make people insane to begin with. Yes, the US goes out of its way to make people insane as part of its so-called corrections system. The mass doling of insanity is a novelty to say the least. |
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G9inWonderland
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: Oh hey. |
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Murder is murder...
Just like a kid who was texting while driving and ends up killing someone is still concidered murder.
A car is as much a weapon as a blade of gun.
I do agree however the punishment for Mentally ill (if already diagnosed, not claiming insanity to get out of something) Should be handled a different way. For example a mental hospital with the proper meds, drs, and restraints if needed.
Maybe even a prison made for the mental.
I don't think it's the Gorvernment is to blame. Lack of knowledge is to blame.
Usually the mentally ill don't wave around their issues for all to see...
Neurotypicals will however use mental illness as an excuse to try and get away with things.
Lawyers, police, Judges, Jury... ALL need more education on the subject.
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Lucywlf
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I think what the poster is trying to say is that government should have better controls in place to recognize and help the mentally ill before they get to the point of murdering someone. |
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cathylynn
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| if a person is so out of it that they don't know what they are doing is wrong, they should be helped, not punished. |
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redrobin62
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I agree. But by the same token, if I get jumped or robbed by someone and he shouts, "I'm mentally ill!" he still won't be spared my wrath. The criminal justice system is a pendulum which swings, every 100 years or so, between punishment and corrections (rehabilitation). Seeing as we're in financial straits these days, the prisons are in punishment mode.
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SpiritBlooms
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Rainy wrote: | | This might be news to you, but having a mental illness does not give you the privilege to murder people and not be punished for it. |
This. The point of laws is to protect the innocent, not to pamper the violent, whether they're violent due to a mental illness or another reason. Keeping a violent person from hurting others again is important. However, I like to think they would also get treatment for the mental illness. I believe in humane treatment of all prisoners. |
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Rainy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Oh hey. |
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| G9inWonderland wrote: | Murder is murder...
Murder is murder...
Just like a kid who was texting while driving and ends up killing someone is still concidered murder.
A car is as much a weapon as a blade of gun.
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I suggest you educate yourself on the difference between murder and manslaughter. Also, what does "a car is as much a weapon as a blade or a gun" have to do with mentally ill murderers?
| Quote: | | if a person is so out of it that they don't know what they are doing is wrong, they should be helped, not punished. |
If a person is that insane, I suggest euthanization. |
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iBlockhead
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Oh hey. |
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| Rainy wrote: | | G9inWonderland wrote: | Murder is murder...
Murder is murder...
Just like a kid who was texting while driving and ends up killing someone is still concidered murder.
A car is as much a weapon as a blade of gun.
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I suggest you educate yourself on the difference between murder and manslaughter... |
It's motor vehicle homicide according to at least one American state. See here.
Snarking on this forum is not really the best idea, you know. |
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